Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development

Thanks Adrià,

That's an extremely welcome offer. We'll definitely want to take you up 
on it.

Cheers

Phil.

On 28/09/2015 12:41, Adrià Mercader wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My name is Adrià Mercader, I work for Open Knowledge and I'm a member of
> the CKAN core tech team. I'll be happy to help coordinate in any way we can
> to make CKAN support whatever spec is agreed for Dataset Usage monitoring.
>
> Best,
>
> Adrià
>
> On 28 September 2015 at 10:04, Jo Barratt <jo.barratt@okfn.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Adria,
>>
>> Can you have a peruse of this when you have a moment and let me know what
>> you think?
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Katelyn Rogers <katelyn.rogers@okfn.org>
>> Date: 25 September 2015 at 14:10
>> Subject: Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
>> Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data
>> Revolution for Sustainable Development
>> To: Amparo Ballivian <aballivian@worldbank.org>
>> Cc: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>, "rufus.pollock@okfn.org" <
>> rufus.pollock@okfn.org>, Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>,
>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, Carlos Iglesias <
>> carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <
>> daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "diego.may@junar.com" <diego.may@junar.com>,
>> "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>, Kevin Merritt <
>> kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos <
>> Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <
>> odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, DWBP
>> Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>, Rich Robbins <rich@nucivic.com>, Sid
>> Burgess <Sid.Burgess@govdelivery.com>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>,
>> Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <
>> ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>, Timothy Grant
>> Herzog <therzog1@worldbank.org>, Jo Barratt <jo.barratt@okfn.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi Amparo, Steven and others!
>>
>> Great to see this discussion happening! As Rufus is traveling at the
>> moment and may be slow to respond, I have cc'ed my colleague Jo Barratt who
>> coordinates a good deal of the work on CKAN and liaises with the CKAN
>> Association. I will let him follow up!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Katelyn
>>
>> On 23 September 2015 at 18:02, Amparo Ballivian <aballivian@worldbank.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven,
>>>
>>> As far as I know, Rufus Pollock is the President of Open Knowledge
>>> (formerly Open Knowledge Foundation). I copy him here.
>>>
>>> BTW, I think having standard metadata for open data is an awesome idea.
>>> FYI, the standard metadata for microdata (surveys and census) is DDI. We
>>> are financing a CKAN module to support DDI metadata of open microdata. My
>>> colleague Tim Herzog is in charge of that, so I copy him as well.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Amparo
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:32 AM
>>> *To:* Andrew Hoppin
>>> *Cc:* Barbara Ubaldi; Bernadette Farias Lóscio; Carlos Iglesias; Daniel
>>> Dietrich; diego.may@junar.com; Jose M. Alonso; Kevin Merritt; Marcio
>>> Vasconcelos; ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net; Phil Archer; DWBP
>>> Public List; Rich Robbins; Sid Burgess; sumandro; Tim Davies; Zeitz, Paul
>>> S; Katelyn Rogers
>>> *Subject:* RE: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex
>>> on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data
>>> Revolution for Sustainable Development
>>>
>>>
>>> Super! That's 2 out of 4.
>>>
>>> Katelyn, could you put us in touch with whomever is "running" CKAN at
>>> Open Knowledge Foundation to see if they would be interested in joining
>>> Junar and NuCivic in their support of Open Data Standard Metadata to
>>> measure aggregate utilization?
>>>
>>> Thanks Andrew!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>
>>> Andrew Hoppin ---09/23/2015 11:26:17 AM---Steve, Phil, Diego, Count us
>>> in.  This seems to us extremely important work, and we'd like to roll
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>
>>> To: Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Diego May <diego.may@junar.com>
>>> Cc: Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <
>>> bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, "Carlos Iglesias" <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>,
>>> Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "Jose M. Alonso" <
>>> josema@webfoundation.org>, Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>,
>>> Marcio Vasconcelos <Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "
>>> ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>,
>>> Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, "DWBP Public List" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>,
>>> sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, "Tim Davies" <
>>> tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>,
>>> Rich Robbins <rich@nucivic.com>, Sid Burgess <Sid.Burgess@govdelivery.com
>>>>
>>> Date: 09/23/2015 11:26 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
>>> Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data
>>> Revolution for Sustainable Development
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve, Phil, Diego,
>>>
>>> Count us in.  This seems to us extremely important work, and we'd like to
>>> roll up our sleeves and help, and to support natively in DKAN any
>>> new Dataset Usage Vocabulary that may be established.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:35 AM
>>> To: Diego May
>>> Cc: Andrew Hoppin; Barbara Ubaldi; Bernadette Farias Lóscio; Carlos
>>> Iglesias; Daniel Dietrich; Jose M. Alonso; Kevin Merritt; Marcio
>>> Vasconcelos; ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net; Phil Archer; DWBP
>>> Public List; sumandro; Tim Davies; Zeitz, Paul S
>>> Subject: Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
>>> Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data
>>> Revolution for Sustainable Development
>>>
>>> Great.  We are happy to share our Vocabulary draft with Junar and hope
>>> that NuCivic, Socrata, and CKAN will also participate.  Furthermore, we
>>> hope that members of the Open Data Charter Stewardship Group will also
>>> provide input.
>>>
>>> Thanks Diego!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>
>>> Diego  May ---09/15/2015 11:29:53 AM---Hi all, I do agree in the
>>> importance of talking about OD utilization, statistics,
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> Diego May <diego.may@junar.com>
>>> To:
>>> Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
>>>
>>> Cc:
>>> Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>, Barbara
>>> Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias <
>>> carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <
>>> daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>,
>>>   Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos <
>>> Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <
>>> odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, DWBP Public List <
>>> public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, Tim Davies  <
>>> tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>
>>> Date:
>>> 09/15/2015 11:29 AM
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled
>>> Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution
>>> for Sustainable Development
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I do agree in the importance of talking about OD utilization, statistics,
>>> metadata and more. Just let me know if there is any call or any specific
>>> question we can work on to help.
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>>
>>> Diego
>>>
>>> Diego May
>>> Co-founder & CEO
>>>    Junar, Open Data Made Simple
>>>    Twitter @Junar @diegomay :: Blog Blog.junar.com :: Linkedin Diegohmay
>>>     Post acerca de Datos Abiertos :: ¿Cambiará  la democracia en próximos
>>> años?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <
>>> bfl@cin.ufpe.br> wrote:  Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for helping us to share and promote our activities on
>>> the Dataset Usage Vocab. We are working on a new version of the vocab and
>>> as soon as a more stable version is available, we're  gonna share
>>> this with the group.
>>>
>>> We aim to produce a vocab that's gonna be really  helpful and for this It
>>> is important to gather feedback from the community!
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Bernadette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-09-14 12:06 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>:  Phil,
>>>
>>> Great points.  I hope those on copy will work with us (W3C) to make sure
>>> our Vocabulary standards have immediate real world impact.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>
>>> Phil Archer ---09/12/2015 02:40:29  AM---The motivation behind developing
>>> the Dataset Usage Vocab is to avoid  publishers putting their data
>>>        From:
>>> Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>     To:
>>> Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>,
>>> DWBP Public List  <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>     Cc:
>>> Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias <
>>> carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>,  Daniel Dietrich <
>>> daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Marcio Vasconcelos <
>>> Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>,  "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <
>>> odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>,  sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>,
>>> Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>,  "Zeitz, Paul S" <
>>> ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>,  Kevin Merritt <
>>> kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Diego May Junar <diego.may@junar.com>
>>> Date:
>>> 09/12/2015 02:40 AM     Subject:
>>> Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on  Bundled
>>> Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data  Revolution
>>> for Sustainable Development
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The motivation behind developing the Dataset Usage Vocab is to avoid
>>> publishers putting their data behind a registration step. I was talking
>>> to someone this week about the EU's Copernicus data - a huge trove of
>>> satellite imagery that the EC trumpets as a great example of open data.
>>> She was a little non-plussed when I said that, since you have to login
>>> and fill in a form that tells them what you plan to do with the data, it
>>> can't be called open.
>>>
>>> So the idea is to create not only a vocab but an incentive for data
>>> re-users to publish info about what they've used and what they've sued
>>> it for. I see two incentives:
>>>
>>> - discovery (think schema.org);
>>> - encouraging the publisher to keep on publishing.
>>>
>>> Being able to 'ask the Web' who's using my data and what is it being
>>> used for would be good.
>>>
>>> This has some resonance with the research world's activities like
>>> DataCite, CrossRef etc.
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/09/2015 12:58, Steven Adler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jose,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we need to organize more sessions at conferences to figure
>>>> out how to measure OD utilization.  Might be easier to just talk to
>>>> Socrata, Junar, NuCivic, and CKAN folks to organize common utilization
>>>> metrics.
>>>>
>>>> I am adding my W3C Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group
>>> colleagues
>>>> to this discussion since standardizing that metadata is within our
>>> mandate
>>>> and we are working on Data Quality and Usability Vocabularies.
>>>>
>>>> Also adding Kevin Merrit (Socrata), Diego May (Junar), and Andrew Hoppin
>>>> (NuCivic).  I guess there are people already on copy who can represent
>>>> CKAN.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin, Diego, Andrew - We are having a conversation about how to measure
>>>> aggregate Open Data utilization and we wonder if it would be possible to
>>>> agree on common metadata standards that would allow API calls to your OD
>>>> catalogs.  We would like to be able to add OD utilization and quality
>>>> statistics to common OD Supply Indexes.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to dump you all into this long thread.  But it seems to me that
>>> right
>>>> now, while our industry is relatively small, we have the opportunity to
>>>> agree on common standards that could really benefit many interests.
>>>>
>>>> Could we ask you for your views on this topic?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> |------------>
>>>> | From:      |
>>>> |------------>
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>>     |"Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>
>>>
>>>        |
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>> |------------>
>>>> | To:        |
>>>> |------------>
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>>     |Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>
>>>
>>>        |
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>> |------------>
>>>> | Cc:        |
>>>> |------------>
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>>     |Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Daniel Dietrich <
>>> daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>,
>>>   Marcio Vasconcelos           |
>>>>     |<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "
>>> ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net"  <
>>> odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>,
>>>     |
>>>>     |"Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Carlos Iglesias <
>>> carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>
>>>                       |
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>> |------------>
>>>> | Date:      |
>>>> |------------>
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>>     |09/09/2015 06:41 AM
>>>
>>>    |
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>> |------------>
>>>> | Subject:   |
>>>> |------------>
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>>     |Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
>>> Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data
>>> Revolution |
>>>>     |for Sustainable Development
>>>
>>>    |
>>>>
>>>   >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I fully agree this is a very important debate and, as Tim mentioned and
>>> (as
>>>> most of you know) he's been deeply involved with both the CAF and the
>>> ODB,
>>>> we keep on exploring at WF. The paper he referred to was commissioned to
>>>> keeping on exploring the "Use" element.
>>>>
>>>> I was also intrigued about the use of household surveys and met with the
>>>> World Justice Project team earlier this year to learn more about their
>>>> method. They work with local/regional companies and survey thousands of
>>>> people. Besides what Tim mentioned above, two more issues come to mind:
>>>> time requirements and cost. Pew's and WPJ's product are not cheap and
>>> WPJ's
>>>> needs 2 years per round. Complexity of the ODB itself has increased
>>>> already. For example, we have introduced this year government
>>>> self-assessments as a new data collection component.
>>>>
>>>> I believe we all certainly need to improve how we measure "Use" but also
>>>> keeping in mind the perfect might be the enemy of the good.
>>>>
>>>> I'm copying my colleague Carlos as he's currently managing the ODB and
>>> our
>>>> work on the CAF and may have something else to add.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, we have organized sessions at the last several conferences on this
>>>> topic and we might want to do so again soon, maybe in the context of the
>>>> OGP ODWG meeting at the OGP Summit or on the sides of it as I believe
>>> most
>>>> of us will be there.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Josema.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-09-09 10:12 GMT+02:00 Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk
>>>> :
>>>>     This is a really important debate: and if finding good methods for
>>>>     assessing levels of open data use would be very valuable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Across the components of the Common Assessment Method for Open Data
>>> usage
>>>>     is the least surveyed - in part due to the complexity of finding good
>>>>     robust sampling strategies.
>>>>
>>>>     Surveys: Reflecting on Steve's suggestions around surveys:
>>>>
>>>>     The best examples we probably have of large scale survey work in this
>>>>     area is either from the Pew Internet Project, which has a
>>> single-country
>>>>     US survey capturing American's awareness of Open Government
>>> Initiatives (
>>>>     http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/04/21/open-government-data/), and
>>> then
>>>>     the World Justice Project's multi-country survey of major cities,
>>> which
>>>>     included a number of questions for their Open Government Index (
>>>>     http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/opengov/) relating to citizen
>>>>     perceptions around their use of Right to Information mechanisms.
>>>>
>>>>     However, particularly when it comes to getting cross-country
>>> comparison
>>>>     data that is sensitive specifically to open data, as opposed to the
>>>>     presence of an app economy or civic technology in general, it can be
>>> very
>>>>     difficult to frame definitions in surveys in ways that produce
>>> reliable
>>>>     and comparable data.
>>>>
>>>>     One of the issues faced in the Open Data Barometer's 'Impact' method,
>>>>     which broadly combines a measure of use and impact (asking about the
>>>>     presence of stories of open data having an impact in particular
>>>>     settings), is that countries that spend more resource capturing case
>>>>     studies of use may score higher than countries who have more cases of
>>>>     use, but where those cases are less well documented or promoted.
>>> Re-use
>>>>     that doesn't result in high-profile apps and websites is particularly
>>>>     likely to be missed by both expert and public-perception surveys.
>>>>
>>>>     From a robust evidence point of view, it's would also be important I
>>>>     think to have independent sampling and data collection: making it
>>> tricky
>>>>     to put govts in the middle of asking citizens to fill out surveys.
>>>>
>>>>     Other approaches: Two other approaches which might be useful here:
>>>>
>>>>     (1) Refining 'data availability' metrics. As Daniel notes, most of
>>> our
>>>>     measures of data openness right now are not sensitive enough to data
>>>>     quality.
>>>>
>>>>     There is some interesting work on domain-specific measures of quality
>>>>     (e.g. Open Data Watch Inventory - capturing levels of disaggregation
>>> in
>>>>     nationals stats:
>>>>     http://www.opendatawatch.com/Pages/Open-Data-Inventory.aspx), and
>>> finding
>>>>     metrics that indicate how re-usable a dataset is likely to be (
>>>>
>>> http://www.opendataresearch.org/dl/symposium2015/odrs2015-paper60.pdf).
>>>>
>>>>     I've been interested in exploring whether we can find efficient
>>> methods
>>>>     for use-case driven testing of the practical openness of datasets to
>>>>     replace/complement the current check-list approaches used in the Open
>>>>     Data Barometer and Index.
>>>>
>>>>     (2) Finding and evidencing good proxy variables.
>>>>
>>>>     The Open Data Barometer includes variables on civil society
>>> capacity, and
>>>>     private sector ICT capacity, in part because it hypothesises that
>>> these
>>>>     are important ingredients of enabling re-use.
>>>>
>>>>     It would be worth testing this in a number of contexts, and exploring
>>>>     whether there are other better proxy variables to capture factors
>>> aside
>>>>     from data quality which are strongly associated with the presence of
>>> open
>>>>     data re-use in a country.
>>>>
>>>>     ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     All the best
>>>>
>>>>     Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>      Great.  The normal way to measure utilization is through consumer
>>>>      preference, but that requires a menu of different consumer choices
>>> with
>>>>      price discovery.  We have a free commodity with few market
>>> alternatives,
>>>>      therefore our only option is to survey consumer opinions of open
>>> data
>>>>      quality, relevance, and value.
>>>>
>>>>      Not very sophisticated but it works if we can develop a short
>>> survey and
>>>>      get governments to ask users to fill it out anonymously to generate
>>>>      reasonable sample sizes.
>>>>
>>>>      What do people think about this?
>>>>
>>>>      Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Steve Adler
>>>>      IBM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Daniel Dietrich --- Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA
>>> ROADMAPS:
>>>>      Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National
>>> Consultation/Roadmap
>>>>      on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development ---
>>>>
>>>>    From:  "Daniel Dietrich" <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>
>>>>
>>>>    To:    "Steven Adler" <adler1@us.ibm.com>
>>>>
>>>>    Cc:    "Barbara Ubaldi" <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, "Jose Manuel
>>> Alonso" <
>>>>           josema@webfoundation.org>, "Marcio Vasconcelos" <
>>>>           Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "
>>>>           ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <
>>>>           odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, "sumandro" <
>>>>           sumandro@cis-india.org>, "" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>
>>>>
>>>>    Date:  Tue, Sep 8, 2015 6:08 PM
>>>>
>>>>    Subjec Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
>>>>    t:     Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on
>>> the
>>>>           Data Revolution for Sustainable Development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      This is a great point! At Open Knowledge we have thought about (but
>>> not
>>>>      yet found an answer) on how to add the user perspective to the Open
>>> Data
>>>>      Index, as we have found that some countries actually score
>>> relatively
>>>>      high in the OD index and OD barometer, but when you go and ask
>>> potential
>>>>      re-users in those countries they will tell you that the data
>>> published
>>>>      is actually useless for their work, as its lacks quality (including
>>> but
>>>>      not limited to: high level of aggregation, missing details
>>>>      (itemisation), low granularity, not timely, not updated, no historic
>>>>      data for comparison, etc). However it is very hard to capture this
>>> kind
>>>>      of feedback into an index, as these are individual statements for
>>>>      individual use-cases. However not having this perspective the actual
>>>>      indexes sometimes draw a misleading picture for some countries.
>>>>      Interested to hear other people thoughts. All best Daniel -- Daniel
>>>>      Dietrich Co-founder & Chairman Open Knowledge Foundation Germany
>>>>      www.okfn.de | info@okfn.de | @okfde Office:
>>>>
>>>>
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