Re: Status on Action-174 ?

Eric,

Em sexta-feira, 24 de abril de 2015, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>
escreveu:

> >> I still have doubts about Citation as it is used as A Citation of the
> Dataset in other works and as a list of materials that are related to the
> Dataset. I think that in the second case is not a Citation.
>
> Thank you for your thoughts, details of Citation still need to be worked
> out.  If in the second case it is not a citation what would you call it?
>

I think it is, in a general case, a seeAlso. It is a link from the Dataset
to other material. Maybe we can specialize some types of seeAlso, as it was
done with Feedback.

Cheers, Laufer.




>
> Cheers,
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','laufer@globo.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> I agree with the definitions.
>>
>> I still have doubts about Citation as it is used as A Citation of the
>> Dataset in other works and as a list of materials that are related to the
>> Dataset. I think that in the second case is not a Citation.
>>
>> Best,
>> Laufer
>>
>> 2015-04-24 11:52 GMT-03:00 Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ericphb@gmail.com');>>:
>>
>> Hi Laufer,
>>>
>>> Please see my comments to you and look at the current definitions.  If
>>> you have other better referenced definitions please make a recommendation.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Eric S
>>>
>>> My comments to you....
>>>
>>> >> I think that annotation has a meaning defined by the Web Annotation
>>> WG that embraces a whole architecture around the process of aggregating
>>> data to a previous data. We have to take a lot of care if we decide to use
>>> the term annotation with a different meaning.
>>>
>>> Agreed.   This is why I've defined Annotation in the Annotation glossary
>>> term and Annotation#Motivation in the feedback definition along side SIOC.
>>>
>>> Annotation:
>>> From: Annotation
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-annotation-model-20141211/#annotation> An
>>> Annotation is a web resource and should have an HTTP URI. Typically an
>>> Annotation has a single Body, which is a comment or other descriptive
>>> resource, and a single Target that the Body is somehow "about".
>>>
>>> Feedback:
>>> From: (1) SIOC <http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/#sec-modules-types>, (2)
>>> Annotation#Motivation
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/#motivations> (1) A forum used
>>> to collect messages posted by consumers about a particular topic. Messages
>>> can include replies to other consumers. Datetime stamps are associated with
>>> each message and the messages can be associated with a person or submitted
>>> anonymously. (2) To better understand why annotation (See Annotation) was
>>> created SKOS <http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/> is used to show
>>> inter-related annotation between communities with more meaningful
>>> distinctions than a simple class/subclass tree.
>>>
>>> >> Citation is also a word that has a strong established meaning. It is
>>> a reference from one work to a previous one. I understand and agree that is
>>> valuable to have a list of other materials that use a Dataset but, IMO, I
>>> would not call this as citations (they are a kind of rdfs:seeAlso). I think
>>> we have to separate this two things: a reference that a material makes to
>>> the Dataset, and references that the Dataset makes to other materials
>>>
>>> Currently I'm using the definition in CiTO for citation
>>>
>>> CitationFrom: CiTO
>>> <http://www.essepuntato.it/lode/http://purl.org/spar/cito> May be
>>> either direct and explicit (as in the reference list of a journal article),
>>> indirect (e.g. a citation to a more recent paper by the same research group
>>> on the same topic), or implicit (e.g. as in artistic quotations or
>>> parodies, or in cases of plagiarism).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Laufer <laufer@globo.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','laufer@globo.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Eric, please correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>
>>>> As I can understand from the diagram, the DUV is being split in two
>>>> parts, directions, help, on how to use the Dataset (annotations), and
>>>> stories of use of the Dataset by the community (feedback). Before use and
>>>> after use.
>>>>
>>>> These two terms, annotation and feedback, could have many
>>>> interpretations.
>>>>
>>>> I think that annotation has a meaning defined by the Web Annotation WG
>>>> that embraces a whole architecture around the process of aggregating data
>>>> to a previous data. We have to take a lot of care if we decide to use the
>>>> term annotation with a different meaning.
>>>>
>>>> Citation is also a word that has a strong established meaning. It is a
>>>> reference from one work to a previous one. I understand and agree that is
>>>> valuable to have a list of other materials that use a Dataset but, IMO, I
>>>> would not call this as citations (they are a kind of rdfs:seeAlso). I think
>>>> we have to separate this two things: a reference that a material makes to
>>>> the Dataset, and references that the Dataset makes to other materials.
>>>>
>>>> 2 cents.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Laufer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-04-24 11:15 GMT-03:00 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','amgreiner@lbl.gov');>>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ericphb@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Annette,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --  I think the other case for citation is providing a link
>>>>> describing how you want others to cite it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, yes, I do agree with that type of citation. I’d like to restrict
>>>>> its use to that case, maybe clarify it as PreferredCitation. In that sense,
>>>>> it is not feedback. It is something the publisher provides to consumers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- While the Annotation model does cover it in a very general way thus
>>>>>> giving rise to the concern that there might be large interpretations of how
>>>>>> I think of feedback solely relying on Annotations, I am attracted to the
>>>>>> SIOC feedback model because it was built specifically to represent feedback
>>>>>> in forums. By selecting a common model for feedback, I argue that an
>>>>>> explicitly declared vocabulary greatly increases the chances of making
>>>>>> dataset feedback more discoverable because consumers can correlate and
>>>>>> cross reference feedback from different dataset forums using a consistent
>>>>>> query pattern.  The Annotation model is so general that cross referencing
>>>>>> forums represented in a variety of ways would make discovery of feedback
>>>>>> more difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it’s important to recognize that the annotations work is
>>>>> already in W3C space. If there is too much overlap  that we implement
>>>>> differently, there will be an internal conflict. That would be a BAD THING
>>>>> (TM).
>>>>>
>>>>> -Annette
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Annette Greiner
>>>>> NERSC Data and Analytics Services
>>>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>>>> 510-495-2935
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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