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Re: ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently there are no use cases for it

From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:07:13 -0300
Message-ID: <CANx1PzxZHpQPEMUxFEaXfp06jtP=c8p9B6t08rZCMVb8uSwpsw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Christophe Guéret <christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl>
Cc: Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com>, Ghislain Atemezing <auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr>, "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Hi all,

@Christophe, that's sounds really good!

Considering the examples that Makx gave about granularity, do you think we
will need different requirements and BP for collections of resources (ex:
datasets and ontology) and individual resources (ex: concepts of an
ontology)?

In this case, a resource may denote an individual item or a collection of
resources. Does it make sense for you?

thanks,
Bernadette

2014-11-28 9:45 GMT-03:00 Christophe Guéret <christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl>
:

> +1 to Bernadette too.
>
> In fact, we can argue that a resource can be anything from a thing
> (dataset, data point, city, ...), to an HTML representation of the
> description of a thing to a CSV serialisation of a dataset.
> It is merely an identifier for something that can be described in a
> structured way. The issue is that the description can change over time
> whereas the identifier itself should remain stable but we can probably fix
> that with giving specific time-based identifiers to resources and relate
> them with the time independent identifier of the resources.
>
> Christophe
>
>
> On 28 November 2014 at 13:40, Makx Dekkers <mail@makxdekkers.com> wrote:
>
>> Bernadette,
>>
>>
>>
>> Good point. In fact, an ontology is a type of dataset.
>>
>>
>>
>> Makx.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bernadette Farias Lóscio [mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br]
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 28, 2014 1:24 PM
>> *To:* Christophe Guéret
>> *Cc:* Ghislain Atemezing; public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc?
>> currently there are no use cases for it
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Christophe,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's gonna be easier if we don't make this difference. Then, in
>> this case, we need to make clear that a resource may denote a dataset or a
>> vocabulary. Do you agree?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bernadette
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-11-28 9:11 GMT-03:00 Christophe Guéret <
>> christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl>:
>>
>> Hoi,
>>
>> Do we really need to make the difference between data/metadata and
>> datasets/vocabularies to speak about versioning ?
>>
>> IMHO it would be best to just focus on versioning resource identifiers.
>> Then a requirement on the design of identifiers to ensure they are
>> version-proof would be sufficient.
>>
>> Christophe
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 November 2014 at 13:00, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ghislain,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for adding one more use case and also for this dicussion about
>> versioning!
>>
>>
>>
>> In my opinion, versioning metadata should be provided both for datasets
>> and vocabularies (ontologies). In the same way, it is important to have
>> best practices for URI design that helps to deal with these different
>> versions.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, it is not clear for me if the new requirement *R-VersionURIDesign*:
>> “Data should have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of
>> the dataset.”  concerns versions of both (datasets and vocabularies).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bernadette
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-11-27 11:18 GMT-03:00 Ghislain Atemezing <
>> auguste.atemezing@eurecom.fr>:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Data-web-lovers,
>> [ My 2 cents to solve this issue... ]
>>
>> ISSUE-69: Do we include versioning in the bp doc? currently there are no
>> use cases for it
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69
>>
>> I guess with the second round of UCs [1], we clearly identify that
>> COMSODE's UC falls into versioning issue [2].
>>
>> I've just added a new UC regarding BBC's ontologies, available here [3].
>> I was looking for a requirement dealing with designing URIs and versioning,
>> to (maybe) make use of the COMURI document.
>>
>> I've also proposed a new requirement *R-VersionURIDesign*?: “Data should
>> have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of the dataset.”
>>
>> Maybe I didn't check enough the document to find overlaps with existing
>> requirements. If so, please thanks for pointing the right requirement.
>>
>> I hope these UCs will motivate the presence of including versioning in
>> the bp document.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ghislain
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases
>> [2]
>> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases#Dataset_versioning_and_dataset_replication
>> [3]
>> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases#BBC_ontology_versioning_and_Metadata
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>> Centro de Informática
>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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