Re: Data "on" the Web vs Data "in" the Web

So now we are creating W3C standards for publishing data as unstructured text on websites?  Is that what's in the charter?  Honestly I have always found the charter to be confusing. Maybe it was intended to be machine readable. ;-)
 
Regards,

Steve


----- Original Message -----
From: Christophe Guéret [christophe.gueret@dans.knaw.nl]
Sent: 03/24/2014 03:42 PM CET
To: Steven Adler
Cc: Augusto Herrmann <augusto.herrmann@gmail.com>; "hellmatic@gmail.com" <hellmatic@gmail.com>; DWBP Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Data "on" the Web vs Data "in" the Web



Hoi,

I think this (semantic !) discussion around data "on" and "in" can be a
good way to let people see the difference being putting a link to a
resource which is a data set dump ("on") and providing some kind of API
("in") - whatever the technologies of the API are. Lately, I've been using
that argument to point people to the fact that downloading dumps of data in
various forms is like doing document sharing prior to the Web. Coming them
to the conclusion that we should publish our data as Web sites. There is a
bit of a focus set on SemWeb technologies for that but, really, we could
think of many other ways to reach the same result. Here are the slides,
comments are most welcome ;-) :
http://www.slideshare.net/cgueret/linking-knowledge-spaces

Cheers,
Christophe



On 20 March 2014 15:17, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Augusto,
>
> I am interested in learning about HAL and look forward to this discussion.
>  But I am a bit concerned with the way you phrase these sentences:
>
> "There should be a way to at first publish open data resources that are
> linked, but without rdf, such as in xml and json. Then, at a later date,
> improve with a descriptive rdf vocabulary and expressed in rdf to become
> linked open data (preferrably, if possible, keeping compatibility with
> clients that implemented reading the previous non-semantic version)."
>
> To me this reads that non-rdf methods like xml and json are accommodations
> to constituents who "have not yet seen the light of RDF" and I want to make
> sure we are providing best practices standards recommendations to the world
> that exists rather than the "perfect world" we would like someday to exist.
>
> At IBM, we make software that runs on many operating systems.  Of course
> we employ people with preferences for OSX, Linux, Systemz, AIX, Unix, and
> even Windows.  Heck, many ATMS around the world still run on OS/2...
>
> But because our customers run all of the above we supply them with all of
> the above solutions.
>
> Can we agree on an "all of the above" approach to DWBP (without suggesting
> that everything someday becomes RDF) too?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>
>
>  From: Augusto Herrmann <augusto.herrmann@gmail.com> To: DWBP Public List
> <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> Date: 03/19/2014 01:16 PM Subject: Re: Data "on"
> the Web vs Data "in" the Web
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> this is a very important point, Ig. My thoughts exactly when I suggested
> we look at the Hypertext Application Language (HAL) proposal *[1]*<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kelly-json-hal>in the first meeting. It was in fact an invitation for us to think about
> data "in" the web, as in "part of the web itself". We don't necessarily
> have to follow HAL, but should look at is as a source of inspiration. The
> way links are represented in resources in Subbu Allamaraju's RESTful
> Webservices Cookbook *[2]*<http://books.google.com.br/books?id=LDuzpQlVuG4C>is another source of inspiration.
>
> We should think of standard ways to insert links to other data into many
> common open data formats, such as xml, json and maybe even csv.. Of course
> this linking requirement is satisfied by linked open data and rdf, but
> sometimes organizations have some data and are willing to pubilsh, but
> initially do not have the necessary resources (i.e. people, knowledge) to
> develop vocabularies to describe the data. However, interlinking among
> resources of a dataset, or even linking to resources in other datasets is
> somewhat easier to do. There should be a way to at first publish open data
> resources that are linked, but without rdf, such as in xml and json. Then,
> at a later date, improve with a descriptive rdf vocabulary and expressed in
> rdf to become linked open data (preferrably, if possible, keeping
> compatibility with clients that implemented reading the previous
> non-semantic version).
>
> Perhaps this could become a use case for the Best Practices document.
>
> [1] *http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kelly-json-hal*<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kelly-json-hal>
> [2] *http://books.google.com.br/books?id=LDuzpQlVuG4C*<http://books.google.com.br/books?id=LDuzpQlVuG4C>
>
> All the best,
> Augusto Herrmann
> Open Data Team - Ministry of Planning - Brazil
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Ig Ibert Bittencourt <
> *ig.ibert@gmail.com* <ig.ibert@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello DWBP,
>
> I was reading again about the 5 Start for Open Data and I saw this
> affirmation below about 3 starts Web Data [1] that I think would be
> interesting to share with this WG.
>
> *Excellent! The data is not only available via the Web but now everyone
> can use the data easily. On the other hand, it's still data on the Web and
> not **data in the Web*<http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/data-and-the-web-choices/>
> *.*
>
>
> With regards this affirmation, you can see more details in [2] and [3],
> but not that much.
>
>
> [1] *http://5stardata.info/* <http://5stardata.info/>
> [2] *http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/data-and-the-web-choices/*<http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/data-and-the-web-choices/>
> [3] *http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200211/msg01290.html*<http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200211/msg01290.html>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Ig Ibert Bittencourt
> Professor Adjunto III - Universidade Federal de Alagoas (UFAL)
> Vice-Coordenador da Comissão Especial de Informåtica na Educação
> LĂ­der do Centro de ExcelĂȘncia em Tecnologias Sociais
> Co-fundador da Startup MeuTutor SoluçÔes Educacionais LTDA.
>
>
>


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