Re: [i18n review comment] BP3 should recommend locale-neutral representation #187

I think it's a fine idea to put both the locale-neutral and the metadata 
approaches into example 13, but the metadata is not an example of a 
locale-neutral representation of the *data*. We need to show that in the 
data itself.

-Annette


On 8/24/16 4:56 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> @Phil, thanks a lot for making the updates! @Annette and Addison 
> thanks for the comments and suggestions!
>
> I agree with the changes made until now, but I'd like to answer the 
> following comment:
>
>         Finally, the example marked prominently as Example 13 looks
>         like the
>         primary suggestion for implementing the BP, which it isn't
>         anymore. I
>         think the 2000 Euro example should be at least as prominently
>         marked.
>
>
>     I sympathise but I'm going to have to leave that to the editors.
>     It can be done by simply adding class="example" to the <pre>
>     element. But, doing that then means that the example numbers will
>     be out of step with the BP numbers from that that point on, which
>     I *think* editors have been anxious to avoid?
>
>
> I don't think its a good idea to change the numbers of the examples. 
> One solution could be to make some changes on the example 13.
>
> Example 13 shows both the use of locale-neutral representation and 
> locale-parameters metadata.  We have the tag "xsd:date" in 'dct:issued 
> "2015-05-05"^^xsd:date', but we also have  'dct:conformsTo 
> <http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/iso8601.htm>' to indicate the 
> standard adopted as date format.
>
> :stops-2015-05-05
>
>       a dcat:Dataset ;
>       dct:title "Bus stops of MyCity" ;
>       dcat:keyword "transport","mobility","bus" ;
>       dct:issued "2015-05-05"^^xsd:date ;
>       dcat:contactPoint 
> <http://data.mycity.example.com/transport/contact> ;
>       dct:temporal <http://reference.data.gov.uk/id/year/2015> ;
>       dct:spatial <http://www.geonames.org/3399415> ;
>       dct:publisher :transport-agency-mycity ;
>       dct:accrualPeriodicity 
> <http://purl.org/linked-data/sdmx/2009/code#freq-A> ;
>       dcat:theme :mobility ;
>       dcat:distribution :stops-2015-05-05.csv ;
>       dct:language <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/iso639-1/en> ,
>                    <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/iso639-1/pt> ;
>       dct:conformsTo 
> <http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/iso8601.htm> ;
>       .
>
> Should we have both ou just xsd:date? If I understood correct, I think 
> we should keep just xsd:date. In this case, we can also change the 
> example description to mention that we are using a locale-neutral 
> representation for date and a locale-parameter metadata (dct:language) 
> to specify the languages in which dataset is published. See the 
> suggestion below:
>
> The example below shows the use of xsd:date providing  a local-neutral 
> representation for the issue date of the bus stops dataset 
> (|stops-2015-05-05|). Considering that the data from the bus stops 
> dataset is already in a locale-specific format, then the  property 
> |dct:language| is used to declare the languages the dataset is 
> published in. If the dataset is available in multiple languages, use 
> multiple values for this property.
>
> :stops-2015-05-05
>
>       a dcat:Dataset ;
>       dct:title "Bus stops of MyCity" ;
>       dcat:keyword "transport","mobility","bus" ;
>       dct:issued "2015-05-05"^^xsd:date ;
>       dcat:contactPoint 
> <http://data.mycity.example.com/transport/contact> ;
>       dct:temporal <http://reference.data.gov.uk/id/year/2015> ;
>       dct:spatial <http://www.geonames.org/3399415> ;
>       dct:publisher :transport-agency-mycity ;
>       dct:accrualPeriodicity 
> <http://purl.org/linked-data/sdmx/2009/code#freq-A> ;
>       dcat:theme :mobility ;
>       dcat:distribution :stops-2015-05-05.csv ;
>       dct:language <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/iso639-1/en> ,
>                             <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/iso639-1/pt> ;
>
>
> Please, let me know what do you think about this.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Berna
>
>
>
>
>         -Annette
>
>
>         On 8/23/16 7:11 AM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
>
>             Hi Phil,
>
>             Thanks. This looks good to me.
>
>             Addison
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org
>                 <mailto:phila@w3.org>]
>                 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:29 AM
>                 To: Phillips, Addison <addison@lab126.com
>                 <mailto:addison@lab126.com>>; Deirdre Lee
>                 <deirdre@derilinx.com <mailto:deirdre@derilinx.com>>;
>                 Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br
>                 <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br>>;
>                 Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov
>                 <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>
>                 Cc: ishida@w3.org <mailto:ishida@w3.org>;
>                 public-dwbp-comments@w3.org
>                 <mailto:public-dwbp-comments@w3.org>; www International
>                 <www-international@w3.org
>                 <mailto:www-international@w3.org>>
>                 Subject: Re: [i18n review comment] BP3 should
>                 recommend locale-neutral
>                 representation #187
>
>                 Thanks again Addison,
>
>                 Pls see below.
>
>                 On 22/08/2016 18:36, Phillips, Addison wrote:
>
>                     Hi Phil,
>
>                     This looks good. A few comments.
>
>                     1. Rather than providing your own definition for
>                     'locale', you might
>                     make
>
>                 use of the one we provide in LTLI [1].
>
>                 Done
>                 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#locale_parameter
>                 <http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#locale_parameter>
>
>                     2. The "why" is still missing something. I would
>                     suggest adding a
>                     new first
>
>                 paragraph explaining locale-neutral first. Something like:
>
>                     --
>                     Data values that are machine-readable and not
>                     specific to any
>                     particular
>
>                 language or culture are more durable and less open to
>                 misinterpretation than
>                 values that use one of the many different cultural
>                 representations.
>                 By using a
>                 locale-neutral format, systems avoid the need to
>                 establish specific
>                 interchange rules that vary according to the language
>                 or location of
>                 the user.
>
>                     When the data is already in a locale-specific
>                     format, providing locale
>                     parameters... <rest of existing text>
>
>
>                 Done, exactly as you suggest
>                 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
>                 <http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata>
>
>                 With luck... the doc gets a green light from you?
>
>                 Thanks again
>
>                 Phil.
>
>                     --
>
>                     Hope that helps,
>
>                     Addison
>
>                     [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/ltli/#locale
>                     <https://www.w3.org/TR/ltli/#locale>
>
>                         -----Original Message-----
>                         From: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org
>                         <mailto:phila@w3.org>]
>                         Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 2:34 AM
>                         To: Deirdre Lee <deirdre@derilinx.com
>                         <mailto:deirdre@derilinx.com>>; Phillips, Addison
>                         <addison@lab126.com
>                         <mailto:addison@lab126.com>>; Bernadette
>                         Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br
>                         <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br>>;
>                         Annette Greiner <amgreiner@lbl.gov
>                         <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>
>                         Cc: ishida@w3.org <mailto:ishida@w3.org>;
>                         public-dwbp-comments@w3.org
>                         <mailto:public-dwbp-comments@w3.org>; www
>                         International
>                         <www-international@w3.org
>                         <mailto:www-international@w3.org>>
>                         Subject: Re: [i18n review comment] BP3 should
>                         recommend
>                         locale-neutral representation #187
>
>                         Dear all,
>
>                         I have taken further steps on this. The result
>                         can be seen at
>                         http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
>                         <http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata>
>
>                         1. Addision's text used more or less verbatim;
>                         1a. taken account of
>                         Annette's suggestion; 1b. replaced inline
>                         links to BCP47 and CLDR with
>
>                 references 2.
>
>                         title of the BP changed to Use locale-neutral
>                         data representations 3.
>                         moved to Data Formats section as resolved in
>                         WG meeting on Friday; 4.
>                         added R- FormatMachineRead to list of evidence
>                         and thereby updated
>                         the UCR cross matching; 5. updated the
>                         Challenges SVG diagram; 6.
>                         updated my Pull request.
>
>                         NB, I *retained* the old ID for the BP so that
>                         any links to
>                         #LocaleParametersMetadata will still work. I
>                         know there are some of
>                         these, for example, in the Share-PSI project.
>
>                         HTH
>
>                         Phil.
>
>
>
>                         On 22/08/2016 08:52, Deirdre Lee wrote:
>
>                             HI,
>
>                             Thank you for your comments Addison. I
>                             think they make sense and
>                             should be straight-forward to incorporate.
>
>                             The title of the BP should probably also
>                             be updated to something
>                             like 'Provide locale-neutral data'
>
>                             Phil and DWBP editors, in Friday's meeting
>                             we also agreed to move
>                             BP3 to the Data Formats section from the
>                             Metadata section, which
>                             would make it BP14, right?
>
>                             Kind regards,
>
>                             Deirdre
>
>
>
>                             On 19/08/2016 17:39, Phillips, Addison wrote:
>
>                                 Hi Phil,
>
>                                 Thanks for starting on this. I think
>                                 the pull request is a good
>                                 start.
>                                 I have some comments on it.
>
>                                 My main concern is that this BP is
>                                 really backwards. It recommends
>                                 to "locale parameter metadata" and
>                                 then says that the simplest way
>                                 to do this is to use locale-neutral
>                                 formats. The recommendation
>                                 should be more like "use
>                                 locale-neutral formats or provide
>                                 locale/language information where
>                                 that's not possible". The pull
>                                 request captures the use of
>                                 locale-neutral, but doesn't really
>                                 explain about when to provide locale
>                                 and language information.
>
>                                 I would change this:
>
>                                 --
>                                 <p class="practicedesc">Provide
>                                 metadata about locale parameters
>                                 (date, time, and number formats,
>                                 language).</p>
>                                 --
>
>                                 To say:
>
>                                 --
>                                 <p class="practicedesc">Use
>                                 locale-neutral data structures and
>                                 values, or, where that is not
>                                 possible, provide metadata about the
>                                 locale used by data values.</p>
>                                 --
>
>                                 I would change:
>
>                                 --
>                                 <p>The simplest method is to use
>                                 local-neutral representations of
>                                 the actual data, and then add metadata
>                                 to provide relevant locale
>                                 information. For example, rather than
>                                 storing "€2000.00" as a
>                                 string, it's strongly preferred to
>                                 exchange a data structure such
>                                 as:</p>
>                                 --
>
>                                 To say:
>
>                                 --
>                                 <p>Most common data representations
>                                 are locale neutral. For
>                                 example, XML Schema types such as
>                                 xsd:integer and xsd: date are
>                                 intended for locale-neutral data
>                                 interchange. Using locale-neutral
>                                 representations allows the data values
>                                 to be processed accurately
>                                 without complex parsing or
>                                 misinterpretation and also allows the
>                                 data to be presented in the format
>                                 most comfortable for the
>                                 consumer of the data. For example,
>                                 rather than storing "€2000,00"
>                                 as a string, it's strongly preferred
>                                 to exchange a data structure
>                                 such as:</p>
>                                 --
>
>                                 Also, note the misspelling of
>                                 "locale-neutral" in the pull request.
>
>                                 I would then go on to add some text
>                                 about when locale parameters
>                                 are needed. Something like:
>
>                                 --
>                                 Some datasets contain values that are
>                                 not or cannot be rendered
>                                 into a locale-neutral format. This is
>                                 particularly true of any
>                                 natural language text values. For each
>                                 data field that can contain
>                                 locale affected or natural language
>                                 text, there should be an
>                                 associated language tag used to
>                                 indicate the language and locale
>                                 of the
>
>                 data.
>
>                                 This locale information can be used in
>                                 parsing the data or to
>                                 ensure proper presentation and
>                                 processing of the value by the
>
>                 consumer.
>
>                                 --
>
>                                 (Sorry for not generating a pull
>                                 request of my own)
>
>                                 Addison
>
>                                     -----Original Message-----
>                                     From: Phil Archer
>                                     [mailto:phila@w3.org
>                                     <mailto:phila@w3.org>]
>                                     Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:37 AM
>                                     To: Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>                                     <bfl@cin.ufpe.br
>                                     <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br>>; Annette
>                                     Greiner
>                                     <amgreiner@lbl.gov
>                                     <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>
>                                     Cc: Phillips, Addison
>                                     <addison@lab126.com
>                                     <mailto:addison@lab126.com>>;
>                                     ishida@w3.org <mailto:ishida@w3.org>;
>                                     public-dwbp- comments@w3.org
>                                     <mailto:comments@w3.org>; www
>                                     International
>                                     <www-international@w3.org
>                                     <mailto:www-international@w3.org>>
>                                     Subject: Re: [i18n review comment]
>                                     BP3 should recommend
>                                     locale-neutral representation #187
>
>                                     I took an action on today's call
>                                     to try and address this in BP3.
>                                     You can see the results at
>
>                 http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
>                 <http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata>
>
>                                     This uses some of Addison's text
>                                     directly and highlights the value
>                                     of the xsd datatypes - but retains
>                                     enough of the original BP for
>                                     it to be an amendment rather than
>                                     a whole new one - I hope.
>
>                                     This addresses most of the
>                                     resolution taken today [1] but I have
>                                     not moved the BP to the formats
>                                     section. I leave that to the
>                                     editors who may want to make
>                                     further changes - or argue for it to
>                                     be left where it is, or add
>                                     references from the formats section
>                                     or, or,
>
>                 or...
>
>                                     I've created the Pull Request
>                                     https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/pull/447
>                                     <https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/pull/447>
>
>                                     Phil.
>
>                                     [1]
>                                     https://www.w3.org/2016/08/19-dwbp-minutes#resolution02
>                                     <https://www.w3.org/2016/08/19-dwbp-minutes#resolution02>
>
>                                     On 15/08/2016 17:28, Bernadette
>                                     Farias Lóscio wrote:
>
>                                         Dear Ishida,
>
>                                         This comment [1] is still
>                                         under discussion [4] and we'd
>                                         like to
>                                         ask your opinion about two of
>                                         our proposals:
>
>                                         1. to include locale-neutral
>                                         representation ideas as part
>                                         of BP3
>                                         [2], or 2. to include a
>                                         paragraph at the introduction
>                                         of Section
>                                         8.8 Data Formats [3] to
>                                         discuss the relevance of having
>                                         local-neutral representations.
>
>                                         We also discussed the proposal
>                                         of having a new BP and we agreed
>                                         that we won't have a lot of
>                                         time for a broader review of
>                                         the new
>                                         BP and to collect feedback
>                                         from the community.
>
>                                         Thanks a lot!
>                                         DWBP editors
>
>                                         [1]
>                                         https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/
>                                         <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/>
>                                         2016Jul/0028.html
>
>                         [2]http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata
>                         <http://agreiner.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata>
>
>                                         [3]
>                                         https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats
>                                         <https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats>
>                                         [4]
>                                         https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Aug/0009
>                                         <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Aug/0009>.
>                                         ht
>                                         ml
>
>
>                                         2016-08-04 23:26 GMT+02:00
>                                         Annette Greiner
>                                         <amgreiner@lbl.gov
>                                         <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>>:
>
>                                             Hi Addison,
>
>                                             Thanks for your response,
>                                             and it does make sense. I
>                                             think what I
>                                             am still missing is
>                                             whether there is guidance
>                                             we can point to as
>                                             to how to represent the
>                                             "locale-neutral" data so
>                                             that it can
>                                             most easily be made locale
>                                             specific by existing
>                                             tools. You
>                                             mention "pre-made
>                                             standards for the basic
>                                             data types". Is there
>                                             a recommended list we could
>
>                                     reference?
>
>                                             Thanks for your help!
>                                             -Annette
>
>
>                                             On 8/4/16 12:31 PM,
>                                             Phillips, Addison wrote:
>
>                                                 Hi Annette,
>
>                                                 Thanks for the note.
>                                                 This is a personal
>                                                 reply not on behalf of
>                                                 the WG.
>
>                                                 Locale neutral formats
>                                                 are quite common on
>                                                 the Web and the
>                                                 Internet in general.
>                                                 One familiar format
>                                                 referenced by your
>                                                 document, for example,
>                                                 is XML Schema. While the
>
>                 representations
>
>                                                 of numbers, dates, and
>                                                 the like in XML Schema
>                                                 would be "more
>                                                 appropriate" for some
>                                                 languages/locales than
>                                                 others if given as
>                                                 plain text, what
>                                                 distinguishes them is
>                                                 that they are all
>                                                 machine readable and
>                                                 intended to
>
>                                     be read by machines for later
>                                     processing.
>
>                                                 The display of values
>                                                 is a separate, local,
>                                                 concern for the
>                                                 data's consumer. This
>                                                 necessarily means
>                                                 choosing specific
>                                                 separators (such as
>                                                 decimal separators)
>                                                 over other, more
>                                                 localized values. Save
>                                                 for "free
>
>                                     text"
>
>                                                 (natural language)
>                                                 data, most data
>                                                 formats are locale neutral
>                                                 and these include
>                                                 things like JSON-LD,
>                                                 XML Schema, CSV, and so
>
>                 forth.
>
>                                                 Not every possible
>                                                 data structure or data
>                                                 value is, of course,
>                                                 covered fully. For
>                                                 example, in my day job
>                                                 (I work at Amazon),
>                                                 we have many different
>                                                 common measurement
>                                                 units defined
>
>                 internally.
>
>                                                 To transmit these in a
>                                                 locale-neutral manner,
>                                                 we need to
>                                                 construct our own data
>                                                 schemas and
>                                                 identifiers. There are
>                                                 profoundly many ways
>                                                 to measure shoes,
>                                                 dresses, auto parts,
>                                                 hats, drone
>                                                 propellers, and so
>                                                 forth. But it would be a
>                                                 nightmare to have to
>                                                 deal with localized
>
>                                     presentation formats on top of that.
>
>                                                 But there are pre-made
>                                                 standards for the
>                                                 basic data types and
>                                                 these are what are
>                                                 needed to build almost
>                                                 any data structure
>                                                 necessary for global
>                                                 interchange of data.
>
>                                                 Does that make sense?
>
>                                                 Addison
>
>                                                 Addison Phillips
>                                                 Principal SDE, I18N
>                                                 Architect (Amazon)
>                                                 Chair (W3C I18N WG)
>
>                                                 Internationalization
>                                                 is not a feature.
>                                                 It is an architecture.
>
>
>
>
>                                                 -----Original Message-----
>
>                                                     From: Annette
>                                                     Greiner
>                                                     [mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov
>                                                     <mailto:amgreiner@lbl.gov>]
>                                                     Sent: Thursday,
>                                                     August 04, 2016
>                                                     12:04 PM
>                                                     To: ishida@w3.org
>                                                     <mailto:ishida@w3.org>;
>                                                     public-dwbp-comments@w3.org
>                                                     <mailto:public-dwbp-comments@w3.org>
>                                                     Cc: www
>                                                     International
>                                                     <www-international@w3.org
>                                                     <mailto:www-international@w3.org>>
>                                                     Subject: Re: [i18n
>                                                     review comment]
>                                                     BP3 should recommend
>                                                     locale-neutral
>                                                     representation #187
>
>                                                     Hello on behalf of
>                                                     the DWBP WG,
>
>                                                     We're interested
>                                                     in pursuing this
>                                                     concept in our
>                                                     best practice
>                                                     document, but we
>                                                     would like some
>                                                     clarification of
>                                                     the practice
>                                                     of locale neutrality.
>                                                     You
>                                                     mention the
>                                                     variation across
>                                                     locales in decimal
>                                                     symbol,
>                                                     grouping symbol,
>                                                     number of grouping
>                                                     digits, digit shapes,
>                                                     etc., and you give
>                                                     an example of a
>                                                     locale-neutral data
>                                                     structure for monetary
>
>                         values.
>
>                                                     But this structure
>                                                     alone does not
>                                                     appear to address
>                                                     differences in
>                                                     decimal symbol,
>                                                     grouping symbol,
>                                                     number of
>                                                     grouping digits,
>                                                     or digit shapes.
>                                                     It does provide a
>                                                     mechanism
>                                                     to separately
>                                                     specify the units,
>                                                     and the example
>                                                     uses an
>                                                     ISO-4217 currency
>                                                     code, both of
>                                                     which we agree are
>                                                     good ideas.
>                                                     Is there a broad
>                                                     standard (beyond
>                                                     just monetary) for
>                                                     addressing the
>                                                     other
>                                                     symbol/representation
>                                                     issues you raised
>                                                     that we can address
>
>                         briefly in our best practice?
>
>                                                     Do you consider SI
>                                                     units consistent
>                                                     with a locale-neutral
>
>                 approach?
>
>                                                     Is there a
>                                                     locale-neutral
>                                                     standard for
>                                                     representing decimal
>                                                     numbers (perhaps
>                                                     using a period and
>                                                     no grouping, as in
>                                                     your
>
>                         example)?
>
>                                                     -Annette
>
>
>                                                     On 7/22/16 5:32
>                                                     AM, ishida@w3.org
>                                                     <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
>                                                     wrote:
>
>                                                         [raised by
>                                                         aphillips]
>
>                                                         https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#LocaleParametersMetadata
>                                                         <https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#LocaleParametersMetadata>
>
>                                                         Best practice
>                                                         #3 introduces
>                                                         itself as:
>
>                                                         Providing
>                                                         locale
>                                                         parameters
>                                                         helps humans
>                                                         and computer
>                                                         applications
>                                                         to work
>                                                         accurately
>                                                         with things
>                                                         like dates,
>                                                         currencies and
>                                                         numbers that
>                                                         may look
>                                                         similar but have
>                                                         different
>                                                         meanings in
>                                                         different locales.
>
>                                                         But the actual
>                                                         best practice
>                                                         is to use
>                                                         **locale-neutral**
>                                                         representations
>                                                         that are
>                                                         interpreted/displayed
>                                                         to end-users
>                                                         in a
>                                                         locale-appropriate
>                                                         manner. For
>                                                         example,
>                                                         instead of
>                                                         storing the
>                                                         string
>                                                         "€2000.00",
>                                                         exchanging a
>                                                         data structure
>                                                         like the
>                                                         following is
>                                                         strongly
>                                                         preferred:
>
>                                                         ```
>                                                         "price" {
>                                                               "value":
>                                                         2000.00,
>                                                              
>                                                         "currency": "EUR"
>                                                         }
>                                                         ```
>
>                                                         The date
>                                                         examples given
>                                                         are all in
>                                                         xsd:date
>                                                         format, which is
>                                                         an excellent
>                                                         example of
>                                                         using a
>                                                         locale-neutral
>                                                         format.
>
>                                                         Many things
>                                                         are dependent
>                                                         on locale:
>                                                         decimal symbol,
>
>                 grouping
>
>                                                         symbol, number
>                                                         of grouping
>                                                         digits, digit
>                                                         shapes, etc. It's
>                                                         because there
>                                                         can be wide
>                                                         variation
>                                                         (sometimes open to
>                                                         misinterpretation)
>                                                         that sending a
>                                                         locale neutral
>                                                         format is
>
>                         preferred for data values.
>
>                                                         Note also btw
>                                                         that the
>                                                         position of
>                                                         the currency
>                                                         symbol is
>                                                         dependent on
>                                                         the locale. In
>                                                         France it
>                                                         would be normal to
>                                                         write
>
>                                     2000.00 € rather than €2000.00.
>
>                                                         Same even when
>                                                         talking about
>                                                         USD when using
>                                                         $, ie. 2000.00 $.
>
>
>                                                         --
>
>                                                     Annette Greiner
>                                                     NERSC Data and
>                                                     Analytics Services
>                                                     Lawrence Berkeley
>                                                     National
>                                                     Laboratory
>
>
>                                             --
>                                             Annette Greiner
>                                             NERSC Data and Analytics
>                                             Services Lawrence Berkeley
>                                             National
>                                             Laboratory
>
>
>
>                                     --
>
>
>                                     Phil Archer
>                                     W3C Data Activity Lead
>                                     http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>
>                                     http://philarcher.org
>                                     +44 (0)7887 767755
>                                     <tel:%2B44%20%280%297887%20767755>
>                                     @philarcher1
>
>                         --
>
>
>                         Phil Archer
>                         W3C Data Activity Lead
>                         http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>
>                         http://philarcher.org
>                         +44 (0)7887 767755
>                         <tel:%2B44%20%280%297887%20767755>
>                         @philarcher1
>
>                 --
>
>
>                 Phil Archer
>                 W3C Data Activity Lead
>                 http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>
>                 http://philarcher.org
>                 +44 (0)7887 767755 <tel:%2B44%20%280%297887%20767755>
>                 @philarcher1
>
>
>
>     -- 
>
>
>     Phil Archer
>     W3C Data Activity Lead
>     http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>
>     http://philarcher.org
>     +44 (0)7887 767755 <tel:%2B44%20%280%297887%20767755>
>     @philarcher1
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
> Centro de Informática
> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Annette Greiner
NERSC Data and Analytics Services
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

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