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Re: Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:25:22 +0100
Cc: W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Liisa McCloy-Kelley <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, Rick Johnson <rick.johnson@ingramcontent.com>, Cristina Mussinelli <cristina.mussinelli@aie.it>, Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com>, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>
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To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>

> On 19 Mar 2017, at 09:38, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
> 
> > the separate text is _not_ part of the charter; my apologies if I gave a wrong impression.
> >
> Phew!!   Thanks for clarifying that, Ivan – I’m much happier now ☺.   And I remove my objections (with respect to it being in the charter).
> 

However… your original reaction made it clear that putting the BG text into the same repository may not have been the good solution. If you misunderstood this, others may misunderstand it, too. Ie, we should find a different, purely BG specific place to store this document.

I have cc-d explicitly this response to the co-chairs of the BG and BillM. My personal proposal would be to set up a separate pub-bg repository on Github, and go from there (which I am happy to do).

Cheers

Ivan


> Let me respond to the charter text itself in a separate thread.
> 
> Leonard
> 
> From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
> Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:14 AM
> To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>
> Cc: W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com <mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>, Liisa McCloy-Kelley <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue
> 
> Leonard,
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2017, at 09:06, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with the original issue (#27) that prompted this work, but I have to say that I have numerous major objections to this text – in the context the Charter document.  I believe that 90+% of the content provided in this document has NO PLACE in the charter for the WG.  It’s marketing.  I would certainly support the development of a separate document, from the BG, that contains most (but not all) of this material as supplemental to the charter.
> 
> the separate text is _not_ part of the charter; my apologies if I gave a wrong impression. It is meant to be a separate document from the BG, and this was also the agreement on the BG F2F. I have put it into the charter repository for convenience; that may be an unfortunate choice and we may decide to put it somewhere else (a separate BG repository? on W3C date space? I am not sure) when we finalize the fine details.
> 
> (Personally, I would opt to set up a separate Repo for the development of various BG documents. But this is not my call, the chairs of the BG should agree or disagree.)
> 
> The only part of the charter is the extra paragraph that intends to make a very succinct reason of having EPUB 4 and making a reference to the BG document, just as we make a reference to the IG documents.
> 
>> 
>> So what is the process to have this content rejected from the charter?  Does this need to happen in the BG or the WG?
>> (and this is why I raised my concerns from day one about the fact that we have two groups vying for control over that Charter).
> 
> The process is simple: we have to find a consensus among the main players here, which is the IG and BG members. I do not really see a major problem on this at the moment.
> 
> Ivan
> 
>> 
>> Leonard
>> 
>> From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
>> Date: Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 3:50 PM
>> To: W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
>> Cc: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com <mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>, Liisa McCloy-Kelley <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
>> Subject: Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue
>> Resent-From: <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
>> Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:50:33 +0000
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> as agreed on the F2F meeting in London, there is now a proposal to settle Issue #27[1]. BillK (with minor help from Liisa and I) has created a document on the business case of EPUB & EPUB 4[2], and a there is also a proposal for the charter text that contains a single paragraph and a reference to that document[3] (see the paragraph right before section 2.1).
>> 
>> These changes have not yet been incorporated into the 'main' charter (hence the funny URL-s [2] and [3]). Please either add your  comment to [1] or the "Pull request" issue[4]. If you want to propose specific editorial changes, that can also be done by using [5] or [6], respectively.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Ivan
>> 
>> P.S. The link to the 'business case' in the proposed new charter paragraph does not work at this moment; it points to the place where the final document will be if and when this proposed change, a.k.a. 'pull request' is merged to the main branch.
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/issues/27 <https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/issues/27>
>> [2] https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/bcase-draft/EPUB4_business_case.html <https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/bcase-draft/EPUB4_business_case.html>
>> [3] https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/bcase-draft/index.html <https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/bcase-draft/index.html>
>> [4] https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/pull/41 <https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/pull/41>
>> [5] https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/blob/bcase-draft/EPUB4_business_case.html <https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/blob/bcase-draft/EPUB4_business_case.html>
>> [6] https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/blob/bcase-draft/index.html <https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/blob/bcase-draft/index.html>
>> 
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>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>> Publishing@W3C Technical Lead
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> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Publishing@W3C Technical Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ <http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/>
> mobile: +31-641044153
> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 <http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704>
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Ivan Herman, W3C
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Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ <http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/>
mobile: +31-641044153
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