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Re: Dereferencing, Re: Jotting down some discussion topics

From: Mike Perlman <perlmanm@me.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:44:05 +0200
Cc: Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Michael Smith <mike@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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To: Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com>
It looks like DOIs can also be flaky.
Maybe something like 2-factor identifiers are what’s required?

From “Scholarly Open Access” about DOI

And just today

> On 21 Sep 2016, at 09:23, Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com> wrote:
> On September 21, 2016 at 4:30:17 PM, Leonard Rosenthol
> (lrosenth@adobe.com) wrote:
>> Also remember, Marcos, that the identifier for a PWP is _NOT_ always a URL.
> I completely agree. Using URLs as identifiers is generally not a great
> idea, because URLs are so volatile - and domains can be lost, swapped,
> abandoned, deleted. And because of the "but what will it return?"
> (dereferencing) problem, which is why I don't think we want to go
> there... but here we are :)
> Here is a real life example from one of my favorite books about HTML:
> http://diveintohtml5.info/
> There is a dramatic history around that book and the author (which I
> won't go into, but it would make for a great book!), but it used to be
> hosted at a different URL (the original author rage deleted the domain
> along with all traces of their online persona).
> The web dev community found a way to bring the book back to life
> (thanks to its  CC-BY-3.0 license) and, IIRC, archive.org.
> The book is also published in physical form as:
> https://www.amazon.com/HTML5-Up-Running-Mark-Pilgrim/dp/0596806027
> With identifiers:
> ISBN-13: 978-0596806026
> ISBN-10: 0596806027
> Anyway, the point is... same book, different URL. URLs can't identify
> things and when they do, they do it badly (e.g., XML namespaces).
>> It could be
>> w3id, a DOI or an ISBN. We need a term that works for all of those types of identifiers. (since
>> we also have an “off the web” manifestation, that I know you hate).
> I don't hate (sorry if I came across that way).
> Because URLs are not stable, it's desirable to separate identifying
> aspects from the protocol used in the acquisition of a publication.
> That is, http(s) the protocol to acquire a resource that self
> identifies by a w3id, DOI, ISBN or whatever - or in the container
> case, container contains resource(s) that together form publication
> identified by w3id, a DOI, or an ISBN.
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