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Re: Dereferencing, Re: Jotting down some discussion topics

From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 06:30:16 +0000
To: Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com>, Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: Michael Smith <mike@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <192C3BCB-055D-44C4-90C5-F074E4501E26@adobe.com>
Also remember, Marcos, that the identifier for a PWP is _NOT_ always a URL.  It could be w3id, a DOI or an ISBN.  We need a term that works for all of those types of identifiers.   (since we also have an “off the web” manifestation, that I know you hate).

Leonard

On 9/21/16, 2:07 AM, "Marcos Caceres" <marcos@marcosc.com> wrote:

    Thanks Ivan, these notes are great.
    
    However, I'd like to nip the following on the bud right now because I
    worry about where the following could go:
    
    > Because this is a URL, we will have to define what is returned by a server if that URL is dereferenced.
    
    We won't actually: if a URL uses the http/https protocol (or a URL
    scheme that Fetch understands), and the request is a known HTTP method
    verb, and performed in terms of fetch, then Fetch defines what should
    be expected by the client: a Response, with a mime type and other
    helpful HTTP headers.
    
    Thus, I would urge us to immediately stop using the legacy concept of
    "dereference", as it's no longer part of the fetch lexicon (or part of
    the Web Platform at all) - and can be extremely confusing as in
    reality it has little baring on the behavior of clients that fetch
    requests - and servers that serve responses.
    
    Kind regards,
    Marcos
    
    
    On September 20, 2016 at 5:59:15 PM, Ivan Herman (ivan@w3.org) wrote:
    >
    > > On 20 Sep 2016, at 08:50, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
    > >
    > > This link works better for me https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/wiki/Jotting-down-ideas-for-the-discussions-@-TPAC-F2F-on-%3F%3F-Web-Publications

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    > I am sorry. You're right
    >
    > Ivan
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    > > Peter.
    > >
    > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Ivan Herman > wrote:
    > > Trying to help getting the discussion later today I tried to jot down some directions
    > that we discussed yesterday. Nothing final, nothing complete of course
    > >
    > > Here is the URL (it is a wiki on the UCR github):
    > >
    > > https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/wiki/Jotting-down-ideas-for-the-discussions-@-TPAC-F2F-on-%3F%3F%3F-publications

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    > > Digital Publishing Lead
    > > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/

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