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Re: Dereferencing, Re: Jotting down some discussion topics

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:37:55 +0100
Cc: Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>, Michael Smith <mike@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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To: Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com>

> On 21 Sep 2016, at 02:07, Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ivan, these notes are great.

Thanks

> 
> However, I'd like to nip the following on the bud right now because I
> worry about where the following could go:
> 
>>  Because this is a URL, we will have to define what is returned by a server if that URL is dereferenced.
> 
> We won't actually: if a URL uses the http/https protocol (or a URL
> scheme that Fetch understands), and the request is a known HTTP method
> verb, and performed in terms of fetch, then Fetch defines what should
> be expected by the client: a Response, with a mime type and other
> helpful HTTP headers.
> 
> Thus, I would urge us to immediately stop using the legacy concept of
> "dereference", as it's no longer part of the fetch lexicon (or part of
> the Web Platform at all) - and can be extremely confusing as in
> reality it has little baring on the behavior of clients that fetch
> requests - and servers that serve responses.
> 

Terminology issues, I guess… (I hope!). We still have to define what response the server would return on a URL for a WP, right (in terms of mime type, etc). If I use a URL for a HTML or an SVG page, and I issue a HTTP GET, the server would return the corresponding mime type. The same should be known for the WP case.

(What I would probably expect is that the return would be something like an (extended) Web Manifest, or a (HTML) page with a reference to a manifest somewhere. But that is to be defined.)

I seem to be absolutely old skool here, but what would be, in your view, the right terminology?

Cheers

Ivan




> Kind regards,
> Marcos
> 
> 
> On September 20, 2016 at 5:59:15 PM, Ivan Herman (ivan@w3.org) wrote:
>> 
>>> On 20 Sep 2016, at 08:50, Peter Krautzberger wrote:
>>> 
>>> This link works better for me https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/wiki/Jotting-down-ideas-for-the-discussions-@-TPAC-F2F-on-%3F%3F-Web-Publications
>> 
>> I am sorry. You're right
>> 
>> Ivan
>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Ivan Herman > wrote:
>>> Trying to help getting the discussion later today I tried to jot down some directions
>> that we discussed yesterday. Nothing final, nothing complete of course
>>> 
>>> Here is the URL (it is a wiki on the UCR github):
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/wiki/Jotting-down-ideas-for-the-discussions-@-TPAC-F2F-on-%3F%3F%3F-publications
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C
>> Digital Publishing Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
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>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


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mobile: +31-641044153
ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704





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