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Re: Collecting ideas from the broader community

From: Mike Perlman <perlmanm@me.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 09:37:31 +0200
Cc: "Cramer, Dave" <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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To: "Liam R. E. Quin" <liam@w3.org>
I would be happy to answer those questions later on.
But IMO, the discussion should start with the group.

I am *officially* an outsider as I am unaffiliated and neither a member of the IDPF or the W3C.

And in the interest of openness, I have approached the leadership of both organisations to get some kind of sponsorship for my contributions, but I was either turned down or ignored.

Just last week I made a proposal to build a combined 5DOC and Service Worker system with WordPress as the backend.
I suggested using Mozilla’s Service Worker plugins for WordPress, which I have already tested.
Both ideas (5DOC and SW) have similar techniques for adding offline CSS and JS. 
I was ignored.
https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/issues/110#issuecomment-253641014

Except I was heard, as a couple of official participants of DIGIPUB-IG just agreed yesterday to do some prototyping of SW (5DOC is apparently idea non grata). 



> On 18 Oct 2016, at 08:55, Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2016-10-18 at 07:38 +0200, Mike Perlman wrote:
>>  
>> Well I am an outsider and I have been participating for almost a year
>> in discussions here and elsewhere.
> 
> Than you are not an outsider :-)
> 
>> Why not start with the group critiquing itself on how it has worked
>> with me?
> 
> The most useful question might be, why weren't you here sooner - e.g.
> * didn't know about it
> * didn't think you could make a difference
> * priorities, thought you were too busy :)
> * thought the work was unimportant
> * was afraid people would talk about xml :)
> * some other reasons...?
> 
> Because the question then is, why aren't other people here?
> 
> I don't think it's the tools. I think
> (1) traditionally publishers don't get involved in technology
> innovation - they've always used new tech but not developed it much;
> (2) we don't do enough outreach (although Ican, Felix, Tzviya and
> others have done a ton, it's often a failing at W3C I think)
> (3) the goals and benefits maybe aren't set out clearly enough?
> (4) it's too hard to get involved, too much to learn?
> 
> Using things like discourse might help with (2) and maybe (4) perhaps.
> Or not?
> 
> Liam
> 
> 
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