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Re: [i18n-discuss] The HTML q element can sometimes be useful. Discuss.

From: Tex Texin via GitHub <sysbot+gh@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:54:31 +0000
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Message-ID: <issue_comment.created-215891985-1461966870-sysbot+gh@w3.org>
Thanks Asmus.

I agree about the scare quotes. If the W3C prefers the q element to be
 used only for actual quotations (true or not), then the only way to 
make the point and limit the violations of that philosophy would be to
 offer another element for bracketing text for non-quotation purposes.
I propose the <air-quotes> or <bunny-ears> element for wrapping text 
intended to be bracketed for sarcasm, irony, etc. but not a quotation.
 :-)

It would probably find all sorts of uses, especially where so many 
people are using emoji to markup text with emotions. They could use 
css classes to precede, follow, or bracket text with emojis for 
laughing, tongue in cheek, surprise, etc.based on their frequent use 
of certain reactions. 





On 4/29/2016 1:42 PM, Tex Texin wrote:
> It is news to me that a quotation needs to be true. I thought it 
only needs to represent exact wording. Whether the person actually 
said it, is irrelevant.
>
> So Bogart never said "Play it again Sam". He said "Play it Sam".
>
> Both would be quoted and use the q element.
>
> And quotes can be used in a question where the truth is being 
established: Did you say 'I am guilty'?
>
> Am I mistaken?
No!

I think the <q> element, given that it exists, is fine for any text 
that appears inline, is set of from the surrounding text (normally) by
 balanced paired marks OR semantically is a quotation in the strict 
sense. One element of "q" is that it can be nested (and when nested, 
the text uses some convention for alternating the marks.

I think the train has left the station for defining any tightly 
limited semantics. Even "scare quotes" should not be ruled out, 
because they would (I assume) show the same tendency of being rendered
 with alternating marks if nested (for example if a statement with 
scare quotes was itself quoted).

A./


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