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Re: FW: Proposal: remove aria-describedat from the ARIA 1.1 specification

From: Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:51:01 +0100
To: "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>
Cc: "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <public-pfwg@w3.org>, "public-digipub-ig@w3.org" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.x71s3bhxs7agh9@widsith.local>
Hi Jon,

it would also cause problems for all tools that parse HTML, since they  
would have to change their parsing rules.

I suspect that no browser is prepared to do that.

I agree that relying on links and flowto is a recipe for medium-term  
disaster - even if it had decent implementation which as far as I can tell  
it doesn't.

Compared to which, the unfashionable and much-disparaged solution we have  
seems to be the worst there is, except all the other things we have  
actually tried...

cheers

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:42:16 +0100, Gunderson, Jon R  
<jongund@illinois.edu> wrote:

> Charles and Steve,
>
> If we want native semantics let’s ask the HTML5 working group to modify  
> the IMG element to allow the IMG element to act like SUMMARY/DETAILS  
> elements.
>
> If an IMG element can be a container for other content (e.g. including  
> iframes to shared long descriptions) then the markup becomes much  
> simpler and testable by evaluation tools.  All this talk about creating  
> links and flowto’s is going to be very prone to errors and just plain  
> being overlooked.
>
> If the IMG element contains content it would get the same “twisty” the  
> SUMMARY/DETAILS elements get if the IMG element contains any content.
>
> <img scr=”my-imag.png” alt=”short description of image”>
>   Long description of image ….  Including tables and iframes
> </img>
>
> This approach makes it easier for everyone, but especially authors.
>
> Jon
>
>
> From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 4:35 AM
> To: Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
> Cc: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>; Shane McCarron  
> <shane@aptest.com>; W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>;  
> public-digipub-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: FW: Proposal: remove aria-describedat from the ARIA 1.1  
> specification
>
>
> On 13 November 2015 at 10:32, Chaals McCathie Nevile  
> <chaals@yandex-team.ru<mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru>> wrote:
> Also, why not use a pair of HTML links, which provide bidirectional  
> relationships for the Web and work for all users?
>
> I couldn't agree more, we should be using standard HTML, which works for  
> all users, wherhever we can.
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> Current Standards Work  
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