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Re: Proposal: remove aria-describedat from the ARIA 1.1 specification

From: Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:21:13 +0000
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
CC: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>, Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>, "public-digipub-ig@w3.org" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D26A4FC4.46EB1%jongund@illinois.edu>
Any possibility of having specific roles for description and instructions?

“description” and “instruction" could be descendants of section abstract role and save all the creation of role=group aria-label=description | instructions.

Jon


From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 9:16 AM
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
Cc: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com<mailto:shane@aptest.com>>, Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru<mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru>>, "public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>" <public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>>, "public-digipub-ig@w3.org<mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org<mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: FW: Proposal: remove aria-describedat from the ARIA 1.1 specification
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Resent-Date: Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 9:17 AM

I have created a demo making use of aria-flowto: and aria-label=Description with group=role to give an idea of how it may work if an identifying role is added. It primarily demonstrates the utility of aria-flowto in providing a bi-directional relationship between 2 objects in the DOM.

http://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/PPXZWY<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__s.codepen.io_stevef_debug_PPXZWY&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=REZD8fc2AwufInstfW3L5jSLVS8bjZtAodDOhat7yAI&m=TOEZzu82yGUOKImf7ocBg90_IdBhmyFeCmlJOA1tsek&s=RMnn8Ky2MYTrJVLhIXof72lyBGJz3df4Qx6co2tnlMA&e=>

code view: http://codepen.io/stevef/pen/PPXZWY<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__codepen.io_stevef_pen_PPXZWY&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=REZD8fc2AwufInstfW3L5jSLVS8bjZtAodDOhat7yAI&m=TOEZzu82yGUOKImf7ocBg90_IdBhmyFeCmlJOA1tsek&s=_VV9VdbhSqUZWwnYRiT0sTP7l4zijIs--JPf8FCIox8&e=>

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On 12 November 2015 at 15:05, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
Preponderance of opinion on the Dpub-ARIA call is for a main role, as it
should be generally available, not just in epubs.

Expect a conversation about this on today's ARIA call starting at 12:30
Boston (17:30 UTC).

Janina

Shane McCarron writes:
> Sure.  A "main" role or a "doc-" role?  Since this is (actually) a
> mainstream problem, a "main" role seems more sensible to me.  That and a
> technique for guidance and call it a day?
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 12 November 2015 at 11:48, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
> >
> >> It was proposed (during PF this week) that a simple ARIA role could
> >> trigger notification for AT users, and could trigger CSS to show the non
> >> AT user that a description is available.
> >>
> >
> > sounds reasonable
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > Current Standards Work @W3C
> > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.paciellogroup.com_blog_2015_03_current-2Dstandards-2Dwork-2Dat-2Dw3c_&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=REZD8fc2AwufInstfW3L5jSLVS8bjZtAodDOhat7yAI&m=TOEZzu82yGUOKImf7ocBg90_IdBhmyFeCmlJOA1tsek&s=2OJkv7IE-VZSe6-2myCnLieD0eIiNmDNXmsXNfjckaE&e=>>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Shane McCarron
> Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.

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