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Re: [Minutes] 2014-03-24 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:48:11 +0100
Message-ID: <53308BFB.3020408@w3.org>
To: Bert Bos <bert@w3.org>, public-digipub-ig@w3.org
Bert,

Thank you very much for scribing today and publishing the minutes.

I have formated the minutes as we usually publish them (content remains 
the same).

therefore the new link to the minutes is
http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-03-24.html


and I have updated the wiki accordinglly
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings

Thanks again,

thierry

On 24/03/2014 17:20, Bert Bos wrote:
> Draft minutes available at:
>
>      http://www.w3.org/2014/03/24-dpub-minutes.html
>
> and linked from the wiki:
>
>      http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>
> (Thierry, I don't know how you converted the minutes to the format in
> 2013/dpub-IG-minutes/ so I linked to the RSSAgent-formatted minutes instead.
> You may want to change that.)
>
> A plain text version is below:
>
>
>
>
>                                 - DRAFT -
>
>              Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>
> 24 Mar 2014
>
>     See also: [2]IRC log
>
>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/24-dpub-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>     Present
>            Ivan Herman, Alan Stearns, Markus Gylling, Liza Daly,
>            Brady Duga, Tzviya Siegman, Paul Belfanti, Julie Morris,
>            Bill Kasdorf, Thierry Michel, David Stroup, Bert Bos,
>            Frederick Hirsh (fjh)
>
>     Regrets
>            Laura_Fowler, Luc_Audrain, Phil_Madans, Tom_De_Nies,
>            Dave_Cramer
>
>     Chair
>            mgylling
>
>     Scribe
>            Bert
>
> Contents
>
>       * [3]Topics
>           1. [4]Approving minutes
>           2. [5]Participation of content & mark-up TF
>           3. [6]Deliverable "A comprehensive and prioritized
>              list..."
>           4. [7]AOB
>       * [8]Summary of Action Items
>       __________________________________________________________
>
> Approving minutes
>
>     mgylling: Any objections?
>
>     RESOLUTION: minutes of last week are approved
>
> Participation of content & mark-up TF
>
>     mgylling: TFs focus on one topic at a time.
>     ... Current for this TF is structural semantics inflection.
>     ... Recap:
>     ... Try to figure out how to do inflection of domain-specific
>     structural semantics in HTML5.
>     ... EPUB uses epub:type namespaced attribute.
>     ... Want attribute to be serializing-agnostic, i.e., good for
>     both HTML and XML.
>     ... Work with ARIA.
>     ... I think we want to produce use-cases for semantic
>     inflection.
>     ... I haven't had time to start on it.
>     ... We should try to describe our options:
>     ... Different approaches: epub:type, ITS-inspired attributes
>     (with a hyphen).
>     ... Hyphen instead of namespace makes a difference in HTML5.
>     ... Industry uses data-* attributes already. Class attribute
>     also.
>     ... But data-* is not really recommended for spec extensions.
>     ... So there are various approaches and we get questions why we
>     don't do this or don't do that.
>
>     <ivan> +1 to the summary
>
>     mgylling: Need a summary of pros and cons.
>     ... Thus help the publishing industry.
>     ... So: 1) use cases and 2) source mapping.
>     ... Is this too slow?
>     ... Given that we have a liason with PF already, via Richard
>     Schwerdtfeger.
>
>     tzviya: Some approaches "work" but shouldn't be used.
>
>     ivan: The summary means to list the issues and discussions.
>
>     <liza> :)
>
>     ivan: We should also add RDFa vs microdata.
>
>     mgylling: It's a long list of options...
>     ... Twofold approach: 1st work on ARIA role attribute and make
>     it applicable for us.
>     ... Rich said changes are needed, wrt. treating unknown values.
>     ... PF also intends to work on sub-modules for ARIA roles.
>     ... E.g., for SVG.
>     ... And also for book structure semantics.
>     ... Who can work on that?
>     ... Comments?
>     ... Wrt. wiki activity: we need help.
>     ... I.e., provide use cases and list options.
>     ... Who wants to work with us on that over next 2-3 weeks?
>
>     <ivan> FYI: [9]http://www.w3.org/2012/10/draft-pfwg-charter is
>     the upcoming charter of the PF WG
>
>        [9] http://www.w3.org/2012/10/draft-pfwg-charter
>
>     ivan: For me those weeks are difficult.
>     ... After that I'd be happy to contribute.
>     ... (Travel to workshop and then to Korea.)
>     ... But I want to contribute, or get info from my colleagues.
>
>     tzviya: Dave or Paul, since you did some work, are you
>     interested?
>
>     dave: Yes.
>
>     <liza> Hooray
>
>     mgylling: So: me, tzviya and dave in charge of the TF wiki.
>     ... Comparison table could do with help from Robin.
>     ... We want EPUB to pick the right options.
>
>     ivan: The reasons why we think multi-serializing is necessary,
>     we will get questions about that and what's wrong wity
>     epub:type.
>
>     mgylling: We can list pros and cons in the comparison table.
>
>     ivan: And also: microformats-style, using class attribute, will
>     also be asked about. Controversial issue.
>
>     mgylling: We try to move quickly, because epub:type and clas
>     attribute both have issues.
>
>     ivan: Documenting that and having a reference for the future is
>     important.
>
>     tzviya: Is the document going to describe why this vocabulary
>     is necessary at all? Some people would say HTML is perfect...
>
>     ivan: Half of it will be a version of the use cases. The other
>     half is technical stuff.
>
>     mgylling: List of names of people wishing to join PF to work
>     with them.
>
>     ivan: They have to be members, because Invited Experts here are
>     only IE in DPUB.
>
>     <tzviya> I'm working on it :)
>
>     dave: I can look into it.
>
>     ivan: You're a member (Pearson), so no problem.
>
>     <liza> Thanks Pearson!
>
>     mgylling: Anybody else?
>
>     ivan: OK to start on wiki. Do we want to publish a document
>     later?
>
>     mgylling: Like a Note? Yes, probably.
>
>     ivan: I agree that would be good. At what point do we move the
>     document to github? Don't wait too long, becauseit gets harder
>     to transform.
>     ... Ping me and I'll set it up.
>
>     <tmichel>
>     [10]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html#deliverables
>
>       [10] http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html#deliverables
>
> Deliverable "A comprehensive and prioritized list..."
>
>     <mgylling> A comprehensive and prioritized list of W3C
>     specifications that are important for the Digital Publishing
>     industry but are still in an unstable state at the W3C, as well
>     as their current state in the process. The goal of this
>     deliverable is to help the Digital Publishing industry, as well
>     as the different specification and standardization activities
>     within that community, to be aware of the evolution of the W3C
>     specifications, and to possibly adapt their
>
>     <mgylling> specifications accordingly.
>
>     mgylling: This is a cross-TF thing.
>     ... Doesn't look so complicated. How do we go about producing
>     this?
>     ... One option is to start with a wiki and let the TF leads add
>     listings.
>     ... We should be more specifgic than CSS2/CSS3, but list
>     specific modules.
>
>     ivan: Not all CSS modules are of interest.
>     ... Add their status, ready for publication, ready to use, etc.
>     ... A number of specs highly relevant but only WD still.
>
>     mgylling: OK, so add a status as well.
>     ... Is a wiki the right approach?
>
>     Bill_Kasdorf: Yes, right way to start.
>     ... On meta data work: all of these deliverables are directed
>     at W3C WGs. Should we direct also at publishers?
>     ... There's a lack of awareness of what's already there.
>
>     ivan: Example?
>
>     Bill_Kasdorf: Varies widely, based on publisher and how
>     technical they are.
>     ... Not many are aware of ARIA, RDFa. Schema.org is easier, but
>     even that they often don't know.
>
>     ivan: In the table we'll have what's done and what's under
>     devel.
>     ... ARIA is in former category.
>     ... For technologies that are already there, we can point at
>     primers and introductory material.
>     ... In a few cases W3C has such documents.
>     ... For many that doesn't exist. And then the question is what
>     documents are useful for that community.
>     ... But we can look at what is useful info.
>
>     mgylling: So another extra column in the wiki: primer links
>     ... As soon as we have sufficient content, we'll assign an
>     editor.
>
>     ivan: We need to discuss: these documents tend to become
>     outdated quickly.
>     ... I know similar work in mobile area. One of my colleagues
>     worked on a table.
>     ... Mobile is a different world, but he has a mechanism to
>     update it maybe every 6 months.
>     ... So it is different from a Note.
>
>     mgylling: Yes, keeping as a wiki might also be doable. We start
>     with a wiki anyway.
>
>     <ivan> [11]Dominique’s table
>
>       [11] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/mobile-web-app-state/
>
>     mgylling: Who can start the wiki page?
>
>     ivan: Here [above] is the table I was referring to.
>     ... Different from what we need, e.g., it has APIs.
>     ... A number of things there are related to testing and
>     deployment in browsers, also.
>     ... Reading systems such as Readium are different.
>     ... But still a good example of a table.
>
>     <tmichel> I can setup the wiki page
>
>     mgylling: So who can set up the wiki?
>     ... Thierry will. Thanks!
>
>     <tmichel> Ok will add categories
>
> AOB
>
>     mgylling: Q for Bill:
>     ... I punted on your metadata date.
>     ... How about next Monday?
>
>     Bill_Kasdorf: Next Monday is too soon, need to discuss with
>     Madi first.
>
>     ivan: I'm not here in two weeks.
>
>     Bill_Kasdorf: 7 OK for me, 14 not...
>
>     ivan: 14th I'll be jetlagged.
>
>     Bill_Kasdorf: 14th probably doesn't work for me either.
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>     [End of minutes]
>
>
>
>
> Bert
>
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