Re: [Minutes] 2014-01-27 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

I changed the URI on

https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings#2014

Ivan

On 28 Jan 2014, at 16:45 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:

> Luc,
> For some reason the server does not do content negociation.
> Seems it needs the .html extension
> 
> therefore try full URI
> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27.html
> 
> it should be fine ...
> 
> Thierry
> 
> On 28/01/2014 15:44, AUDRAIN LUC wrote:
>> Hi Thierry,
>> Minutes are badly formatted and cannot be read. Could it be fixed?
>> Thanks,
>> Luc
>> 
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
>> Envoyé : mardi 28 janvier 2014 10:52
>> À : W3C Digital Publishing IG
>> Objet : [Minutes] 2014-01-27 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>> dated 2014-01-27 are now available at
>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27
>> 
>> These public minutes are also linked  from the dpub wiki
>> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
>> 
>> Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Thierry Michel
>> 
>> ----------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
>> 
>> Minutes of 27 January 2014
>> 
>>     Agenda
>>            [1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig
>>            /2014Jan/0033.html
>> 
>>        [1]
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0033.html
>> 
>>     Present
>>            [2]Alan Stearns, [3]Bill Kasdorf, [4]Brady Duga, [5]Dave
>>            Cramer, [6]Dmitry Shkolnik, [7]Frederick Hirsch,
>>            [8]Gerardo Capiel, [9]Ivan Herman, [10]Jean Kaplansky,
>>            [11]Julie Morris, [12]Laura Fowler, [13]Liam Quin,
>>            [14]Liza Daly, [15]Luc Audrain, [16]Markus Gylling,
>>            [17]Phil Madans, [18]Richard Schwerdtfeger, [19]Robert
>>            Sanderson, [20]Suzanne Taylor, [21]Thierry Michel,
>>            [22]Tom De Nies, [23]Karen Myers, [24]Vladimir
>>            Levantovsky
>> 
>>        [2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
>>        [3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>>        [4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>>        [5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
>>        [6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
>>        [7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
>>        [8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>>        [9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
>>       [10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
>>       [11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
>>       [12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
>>       [13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
>>       [14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>>       [15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
>>       [16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>       [17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
>>       [18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>>       [19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>       [20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>>       [21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>>       [22] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
>>       [23] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>       [24] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
>> 
>>     Regrets
>>            [25]Dave Cramer, [26]Ivan Herman, [27]Alan Stearns,
>>            [28]Liam Quin, [29]Luc Audrain, [30]Phil Madans, [31]Tom
>>            De Nies
>> 
>>       [25] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
>>       [26] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
>>       [27] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
>>       [28] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
>>       [29] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
>>       [30] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Phil_Madans
>>       [31] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
>> 
>>     Scribe
>>            [32]Karen Myers
>> 
>>       [32] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     IRC Log
>>            [33]Original
>> 
>>       [33] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/27-dpub-irc
>> 
>>     Resolutions
>>            None.
>> 
>>     Topics
>> 
>>           1. [34]Approval of previous meeting minutes
>>           2. [35]Annotations TF: planning for publishing
>>              requirements as Note
>> 
>>     [36]Liza Daly: Yes [37]←
>> 15:59:44 <karen> zakim, code?
>> 
>>       [36] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>> 
>>     [38]Markus Gylling: Karen, ok to scribe?
>>     [39]←
>> 16:00:30 <Zakim> +duga
>> 
>>       [38] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +duga [40]←
>> 16:00:38 <Zakim> +??P21
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 [41]←
>> 16:00:47 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [42]←
>> 16:00:52 <tmichel> zakim, ??P21 is me
>> 
>>     [43]Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P21 is me [44]←
>> 16:00:52 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
>> 
>>       [43] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it [45]←
>> 16:01:23 <mgylling> zakim, who is here
>> 
>>     [46]Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here [47]←
>> 16:01:23 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
>> 
>>       [46] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
>>     [48]←
>> 16:01:35 <mgylling> zakim, aadd is LFowler
>> 
>>     [49]Markus Gylling: zakim, aadd is LFowler [50]←
>> 16:01:35 <Zakim> +LFowler; got it
>> 
>>       [49] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +LFowler; got it [51]←
>> 16:01:41 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
>> 
>>     [52]Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ? [53]←
>> 16:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly, mgylli
>> ng, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad, duga, tmichel, Kare
>> n_Myers
>> 
>>       [52] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, lizadaly,
>>     mgylling, azaroth, +1.646.336.aabb (muted), LFowler, Vlad,
>>     duga, tmichel, Karen_Myers [54]←
>> 16:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad, fjh, az
>> aroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga, richardschwerdtfeger,
>>   tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns, plinss,
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, JeanK, benjaminsko, Vlad,
>>     fjh, azaroth, LFowler, liza, Zakim, RRSAgent, brady_duga,
>>     richardschwerdtfeger, tmichel, mgylling, karen, liam, astearns,
>>     plinss, [55]←
>> 16:01:43 <Zakim> ... trackbot
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot [56]←
>> 16:02:01 <tmichel> wHO IS 1.646.336.aabb ,
>> 
>>     [57]Thierry Michel: who is 1.646.336.aabb , [58]←
>> 16:02:22 <Zakim> +??P31
>> 
>>       [57] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 [59]←
>> 16:02:24 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky [60]←
>> 16:02:28 <Zakim> +AWK
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK [61]←
>> 16:02:35 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
>> 
>> 16:02:50 <Zakim> +Marilyn
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +Marilyn [62]←
>> 16:02:53 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P31 is me
>> 
>>     [63]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P31 is me [64]←
>> 16:02:53 <tmichel> IS ??P31 JeanKaplansky OR Karen_Myers ,
>> [65]
>> 
>>       [63] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>>       [65] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     Thierry Michel: is ??P31 Jean Kaplansky or Karen Myers , [66]←
>> 16:02:54 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it [67]←
>> 16:03:16 <dshkolnik> Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik
>> 
>>     [68]Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik [69]←
>> 16:03:16 <Zakim> +dshkolnik; got it
>> 
>>       [68] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +dshkolnik; got it [70]←
>> 16:03:18 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers [71]←
>> 16:03:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [72]←
>> 16:03:23 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
>> 
>>     [73]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [74]←
>> 16:03:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
>> 
>>       [73] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [75]←
>> 16:03:29 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
>> 16:03:47 <karen> Markus: Let's get going
>> 
>>     [76]Markus Gylling: Let's get going
>>     [77]Julie Morris: I'm at a 646 number
>> 16:04:03 <mgylling> Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris
>> 
>>       [76] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>       [77] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Julie_Morris
>> 
>>     [78]Markus Gylling: Zakim, aabb is Julie Morris [79]←
>> 16:04:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris', mgylling
>> 
>>       [78] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aabb is Julie Morris',
>>     mgylling [80]←
>> 16:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaee
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaee [81]←
>> 16:04:29 <karen> Markus: Thierry, if you can assign that to Julie
>> [82]
>> 
>>       [82] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...Welcome everyone [83]←
>> 16:04:41 <mgylling> regrets: Dave Cramer, Ivan Herman, Alan Stearns, Lia
>> m Quin, Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Tom De Nies
>> 16:04:41 <tmichel> Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris
>> 
>>     [84]Thierry Michel: Zakim, 1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris [85]←
>> 16:04:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie Morris', tm
>> ichel
>> 
>>       [84] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '1.646.336.aabb is Julie
>>     Morris', tmichel [86]←
>> 16:04:41 <karen> ...We have Karen scribing today
>> 
>>     [87]Karen Myers: ...We have Karen scribing today
>>     [88]Karen Myers: ...and registering regrets [89]←
>>     [90]Karen Myers: ...Short agenda for today [91]←
>> 16:05:03 <karen> ...As you know, we are running these focused themes wit
>> h the task forces
>> 
>>       [87] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>       [88] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>       [90] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [92]Karen Myers: ...As you know, we are running these focused
>>     themes with the task forces [93]←
>> 16:05:05 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>       [92] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf [94]←
>> 16:05:16 <karen> ...We don't have a new task force today because we have
>>   an urgent matter to cover annotations
>> 
>>     [95]Karen Myers: ...We don't have a new task force today
>>     because we have an urgent matter to cover annotations [96]←
>>     [97]Karen Myers: ...But on this call we'll decide what task
>>     force to review next week [98]←
>> 16:05:34 <karen> ...We have one person who has not yet made it to our ca
>> lls
>> 
>>       [95] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>       [97] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [99]Karen Myers: ...We have one person who has not yet made it
>>     to our calls [100]←
>>     [101]Karen Myers: ...Rich, can you say a few words? [102]←
>> 16:05:47 <karen> Rich: I am CTO for IBM software
>> 
>>       [99] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [101] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [103]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I am CTO for Accessibility for IBM
>>     software
>>     B[104]ill Kasdorf: has Julie from BISG been introduced? [105]←
>> 16:05:52 <karen> ...and chair the ARIA standards effort
>> 
>>      [103] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>>      [104] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     [106]Karen Myers: ...and chair the ARIA standards effort [107]←
>> 16:06:01 <tmichel> topic: Approval of previous meeting minutes
>> 
>>      [106] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>> 1. Approval of previous meeting minutes
>> 
>> 16:06:14 <karen> Markus: Last week's minutes are published
>> 
>>     [108]Markus Gylling: Last week's minutes are published
>> 16:06:19 <karen> ...any objections to accepting them?
>> 
>>      [108] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [109]Karen Myers: ...any objections to accepting them? [110]←
>> 16:06:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/CTO/CTO for Accessibility/
>> 16:06:33 <tmichel> topic: Annotations TF: planning for publishing requir
>> ements as Note
>> 
>>      [109] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>> 2. Annotations TF: planning for publishing requirements as Note
>> 
>> 16:06:51 <karen> Markus: there is work underway to propose the formation
>>   of a working track working group
>> 
>>     [111]Markus Gylling: there is work underway to propose the
>>     formation of a working track working group
>> 16:07:01 <karen> ...of the open annotations community group
>> [112]
>> 
>>      [111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [112] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...of the open annotations community group [113]←
>> 16:07:15 <karen> ...we are thinking to fast track the requirements so th
>> ey can be used and referenced by the WG
>> 
>>     [114]Karen Myers: ...we are thinking to fast track the
>>     requirements so they can be used and referenced by the WG
>>     [115]←
>> 16:07:26 <karen> ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
>> 
>>      [114] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [116]Karen Myers: ...anything else, Rob, in terms of context?
>>     [117]←
>> 16:07:35 <karen> Rob: in order to ensure all the requirements in the IG
>> are met
>> 
>>      [116] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>> 
>>     [118]Robert Sanderson: in order to ensure all the requirements
>>     of the IG are met
>>     [119]Karen Myers: ...in the WG process [120]←
>> 16:07:58 <karen> ...would be great to have the usec cases if not entirel
>> y finished, at least be a lot more formalized than they are now
>> 
>>      [118] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>      [119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [121]Karen Myers: ...would be great to have the usec cases if
>>     not entirely finished, at least be a lot more formalized than
>>     they are now
>>     [122]Markus Gylling: To do this, the first thing to keep in
>>     mind
>> 16:08:13 <karen> ...is that this is the process all the task forces will
>>   go through
>> 
>>      [121] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [122] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [123]Karen Myers: ...is that this is the process all the task
>>     forces will go through [124]←
>> 16:08:23 <azaroth> s/in the IG/of the IG/
>> 16:08:25 <karen> ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of the Task
>> Force work
>> 
>>      [123] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [125]Karen Myers: ...Use of the wiki is in the initial stage of
>>     the Task Force work [126]←
>> 16:08:29 <azaroth> s/and the WG/in the WG/
>> 16:08:36 <karen> ...we expect taht they will formalize in Note documents
>> [127]
>> 
>>      [125] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [127] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...we expect that they will formalize in Note
>>     documents [128]←
>> 16:08:49 <karen> ...It looks like annotations task force will take the n
>> ext steps in this sequence first
>> 
>>     [129]Karen Myers: ...It looks like annotations task force will
>>     take the next steps in this sequence first [130]←
>>     [131]Karen Myers: ...but we want to clarify with the sequence
>>     first [132]←
>> 16:09:03 <karen> ...And hope Karen can help us
>> 
>>      [129] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [131] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [133]Karen Myers: ...And hope Karen can help us [134]←
>> 16:09:17 <karen> ...basically I think there is the following steps
>> 
>>      [133] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [135]Karen Myers: ...basically I think there is the following
>>     steps [136]←
>> 16:09:21 <karen> ...let me throw them out here
>> 
>>      [135] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [137]Karen Myers: ...let me throw them out here [138]←
>> 16:09:34 <karen> ...First is that we as an IG go over the wiki and fill
>> in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
>> 
>>      [137] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [139]Karen Myers:: ...First is that we as an IG go over the
>>     wiki and fill in any blanks or missing areas that we can find
>>     [140]←
>> 16:09:46 <karen> ...Second step is that the task force produces a first
>> version of the Note document
>> 
>>      [139] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [141]Karen Myers: ...Second step is that the task force
>>     produces a first version of the Note document [142]←
>> 16:09:51 <karen> ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
>> 
>>      [141] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [143]Karen Myers: ...and we abandon the wiki at that stage
>>     [144]←
>> 16:10:03 <karen> ...and likely use Respect and JS to produce a Note
>> 
>>      [143] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [145]Karen Myers: ...and likely use ReSpec JS to produce a Note
>>     [146]←
>>     [147]Karen Myers: ...at that point, it is the IG's first public
>>     draft [148]←
>> 16:10:26 <karen> ...and we accept comments both internally with W3C and
>> on the mailing list within a period of time
>> 
>>      [145] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [147] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [149]Karen Myers: ...and we accept comments both internally
>>     with W3C and on the mailing list within a period of time [150]←
>>     [151]Karen Myers: ...let's say it's one month [152]←
>> 16:10:43 <azaroth> s/Respect and JS/ReSpec JS/
>> 16:10:43 <karen> ...And once the comment period is done and edits are do
>> ne, we are ready to publish the Note
>> 
>>      [149] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [151] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [153]Karen Myers: ...And once the comment period is done and
>>     edits are done, we are ready to publish the Note [154]←
>> 16:10:49 <karen> ...i don't think it's much more complex than that
>> 
>>      [153] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [155]Karen Myers: ...i don't think it's much more complex than
>>     that[156]←
>> 16:10:55 <azaroth> \me http://www.w3.org/respec/
>> 
>>      [155] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [157]Robert Sanderson: \me [158]http://www.w3.org/respec/
>>     [159]←
>> 16:11:02 <karen> ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
>> [160]
>> 
>>      [157] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>      [158] http://www.w3.org/respec/
>>      [160] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...Notes are not too high ranking in w3C space
>>     [161]←
>> 16:11:44 <karen> Karen: we can review process document...just the time f
>> rame may need checking
>> 
>>     [162]Karen Myers: we can review process document...just the
>>     time frame may need checking
>> 16:12:01 <karen> Markus: We need to be done...
>> 
>>      [162] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [163]Karen Myers: We need to be done...[164]←
>> 16:12:06 <karen> ...does this sound feasible?
>> 
>>      [163] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [165]Karen Myers: ...does this sound feasible? [166]←
>> 16:12:09 <karen> Rob: yes, that sounds good
>> [167]
>> 
>>      [165] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [167] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     Robert Sanderson:  yes, that sounds good
>> 16:12:21 <karen> ...in terms of timing, we need to have something charte
>> rwise that can be discussed by 1 April
>> 
>>     [168]Karen Myers: ...in terms of timing, we need to have
>>     something charterwise that can be discussed by 1 April [169]←
>> 16:12:27 <karen> ...meaning that the Note should be in a good state
>> 
>>      [168] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [170]Karen Myers: ...meaning that the Note should be in a good
>>     state [171]←
>>     [172]Karen Myers: ...according to the IG [173]←
>> 16:12:40 <karen> ...about one month or three weeks before the annotation
>> s
>> 
>>      [170] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [172] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [174]Karen Myers: ...about one month or three weeks before the
>>     annotations [175]←
>> 16:12:46 <karen> ...would go three weeks to write the note
>> 
>>      [174] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [176]Karen Myers: ...would go three weeks to write the note
>>     [177]←
>> 16:12:55 <karen> Markus: are you ok with producing a version of the Note
>>   now
>> 
>>      [176] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [178]Markus Gylling: are you ok with producing a version of the
>>     Note now
>> 16:12:58 <karen> ...in a week or so?
>> 
>>      [178] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [179]Karen Myers: ...in a week or so?
>>     [180]←
>> 16:13:06 <karen> Rob: I can try for within a week
>> 
>>      [179] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [181]Robert Sanderson:  I can try for within a week
>>     [182]Markus Gylling: we spend time today looking at the wiki
>>     about we have and don't
>> 16:13:28 <karen> ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look at it
>>   further
>> [183]
>> 
>>      [181] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>      [182] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [183] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...then have a one-week window for the IG to look
>>     at it further [184]←
>> 16:13:35 <Suzanne> q+
>> 
>>     [185]Suzanne Taylor: q+ [186]←
>> 16:13:40 <karen> ...and then following week produce first draft version
>> of the Note
>> 
>>      [185] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>> 
>>     [187]Karen Myers: ...and then following week produce first
>>     draft version of the Note
>> 16:13:45 <karen> Rob: my only concern with that
>> 
>>      [187] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [188]Robert Sanderson: : my only concern with that
>> 16:14:00 <karen> ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases that
>> don't get agreed upon in the IG
>> [189]
>> 
>>      [188] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>      [189] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...is having @ in the Note referring to use cases
>>     that don't get agreed upon in the IG [190]←
>> 16:14:08 <karen> ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is easy
>> 
>>     [191]Karen Myers: ...if Note lists all the use cases, that is
>>     easy [192]←
>> 16:14:13 <tmichel>  first draft version of the Note I guess is an editor
>> 's document ?
>> 
>>      [191] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [193]Thierry Michel: first draft version of the Note I guess is
>>     an editor's document ? [194]←
>> 16:14:20 <karen> ...but if it's tracking down more references, that coul
>> d be complicated
>> 
>>      [193] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     [195]Karen Myers: ...but if it's tracking down more references,
>>     that could be complicated [196]←
>> 16:14:34 <karen> Markus: if everything goes well by next Monday, we shou
>> ld have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
>> 
>>      [195] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [197]Markus Gylling: if everything goes well by next Monday, we
>>     should have IG's blessing for all or a subset?
>> 16:14:41 <karen> ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
>> [198]
>> 
>>      [197] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [198] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...And that is your greenlight to produce a Note
>>     [199]←
>>     [200]Robert Sanderson: if we can do it in that timeframe, that
>>     would be fantastic
>> 16:15:00 <karen> Markus: yes, it might take longer, but we have been thr
>> ough it before
>> 
>>      [200] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     [201]Markus Gylling: yes, it might take longer, but we have
>>     been through it before
>> 16:15:10 <karen> ...I would be surprised to see a storm of complaints
>> [202]
>> 
>>      [201] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [202] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...I would be surprised to see a storm of
>>     complaints [203]←
>> 16:15:21 <karen> Thierry: the first document we will produce is a first
>> draft Editor's document
>> 
>>     [204]Thierry Michel: the first document we will produce is a
>>     first draft Editor's document
>> 16:15:29 <karen> ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C Note
>> 
>>      [204] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
>> 
>>     [205]Karen Myers: ...and once IG is ok, we'll move it to a w3C
>>     Note [206]←
>>     [207]Karen Myers: ...and sooner or later we can republish that
>>     Note when we want to add changes there [208]←
>> 16:15:44 <karen> Markus: right
>> 
>>      [205] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [207] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [209]Markus Gylling: right
>> 16:15:50 <karen> ack Suszanne
>> 
>>      [209] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [210]Suzanne Taylor: there are accessibility implications for
>>     annotations
>> 16:16:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting
>> 
>>      [210] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>> 
>>     [211]Suzanne Taylor:
>>     [212]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting [213]←
>> 16:16:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
>> 
>>      [211] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>>      [212] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mark_Highlighting
>> 
>>     [214]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [215]←
>> 16:16:29 <karen> ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in accessibility
>>   task force had time to look over the annotations carefully
>> 
>>      [214] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     [216]Karen Myers: ...It would be good if Gerardo, others in
>>     accessibility task force had time to look over the annotations
>>     carefully [217]←
>> 16:16:38 <karen> ...with view about making annotations themselves access
>> ible
>> 
>>      [216] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     ...with view about making annotations themselves accessible
>>     [218]←
>> 16:16:47 <karen> ...We are at a conference this week and would need more
>>   days next week
>> [219]
>> 
>>      [219] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...We are at a conference this week and would need
>>     more days next week
>>     [220]Markus Gylling: yes, maybe we should...
>>     [221]Markus Gylling:
>>     [222]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re
>>     ading_and_Annotations [223]←
>> 16:17:00 <karen> ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
>> 
>>      [220] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [221] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [222]
>> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
>> 
>>     [224]Karen Myers: ...ask people to just navigate to this URL
>>     [225]←
>> 16:17:09 <karen> ...you jumped straight into what we have now
>> 
>>      [224] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [226]Karen Myers: ...you jumped straight into what we have now
>>     [227]←
>> 16:17:17 <karen> ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last use case
>> 
>>      [226] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [228]Karen Myers: ...What you referenced, Suzanne is the last
>>     use case [229]←
>> 16:17:27 <gcapiel> I agree.  Thanks Suzzane
>> 
>>      [228] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [230]Gerardo Capiel: I agree. Thanks Suzzane
>>     [231]←
>> 16:17:34 <karen> ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use bearing
>> 
>>      [230] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>> 
>>     [232]Karen Myers: ...Looking at the list, Rob, to give use
>>     bearing [233]←
>> 16:17:40 <karen> ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
>> 
>>      [232] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [234]Karen Myers: ...from CG perspective, how complete is this
>>     [235]←
>> 16:17:44 <karen> ...on a scale from one to 100
>> 
>>      [234] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [236]Karen Myers: ...on a scale from one to 100 [237]←
>> 16:17:48 <karen> Rob: 95
>> [238]
>> 
>>      [236] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [238] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     Robert Sanderson:  95
>>     [239]Karen Myers: ...it pretty much covers what the CG has
>>     discussed [240]←
>> 16:18:06 <karen> ...one or two things which are part of the current spec
>> ification
>> 
>>      [239] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [241]Karen Myers:: ...one or two things which are part of the
>>     current specification [242]←
>> 16:18:15 <karen> ...that there were use cases for but they were very spe
>> cific
>> 
>>      [241] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [243]Karen Myers: ...that there were use cases for but they
>>     were very specific [244]←
>> 16:18:22 <karen> ...cannot think of anything that made them useful in pu
>> blishing domain
>> 
>>      [243] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [245]Karen Myers: ...cannot think of anything that made them
>>     useful in publishing domain [246]←
>> 16:18:29 <karen> ...A few things not in CG such as packages use cases
>> 
>>      [245] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [247]Karen Myers: ...A few things not in CG such as packages
>>     use cases [248]←
>> 16:18:42 <karen> ...and recording the state of user manipulated resource
>> s is not covered
>> 
>>      [247] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [249]Karen Myers:...and recording the state of user manipulated
>>     resources is not covered [250]←
>> 16:18:47 <karen> ...that is far too complicated to come out
>> 
>>      [249] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [251]Karen Myers: ...that is far too complicated to come out
>>     [252]←
>> 16:19:01 <karen> Markus: yes, I see a bunch that comes from discussions
>> we have had here and within the EPUB WG
>> 
>>      [251] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [253]Markus Gylling: yes, I see a bunch that comes from
>>     discussions we have had here and within the EPUB WG
>> 16:19:08 <karen> ...the packaging of annotations as well as under other
>> 
>>      [253] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [254]Karen Myers: ...the packaging of annotations as well as
>>     under other [255]←
>> 16:19:09 <Zakim> -lizadaly
>> 
>>      [254] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [256]←
>> 16:19:15 <lizadaly> argh
>> 
>>     [257]Liza Daly: argh [258]←
>> 16:19:20 <karen> ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB work
>> [259]
>> 
>>      [257] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>>      [259] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...specififying the target audience stem from EPUB
>>     work [260]←
>> 16:19:24 <karen> Rob: huge jump slightly
>> 
>>     [261]Robert Sanderson:  huge jump slightly
>> 16:19:40 <mgylling> q?
>> 
>>      [261] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     [262]Markus Gylling: q? [263]←
>> 16:19:42 <Zakim> +lizadaly
>> 
>>      [262] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +lizadaly [264]←
>> 16:19:43 <karen> ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of annota
>> tions is an accessibility use case, an annotations use case, or both
>> [265]
>> 
>>      [265] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, did you expect that accessibility of
>>     annotations is an accessibility use case, an annotations use
>>     case, or both [266]←
>> 16:19:52 <karen> Suzanne: I worry...most important thing
>> 
>>     [267]Suzanne Taylor: I worry...most important thing
>> 16:19:58 <karen> ...is that actual interface be accessible
>> 
>>      [267] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>> 
>>     [268]Karen Myers: ...is that actual interface be accessible
>>     [269]←
>> 16:20:08 <karen> ...if we keep it only in accessibility it will be in a
>> second releasea
>> 
>>      [268] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [270]Karen Myers: ...if we keep it only in accessibility it
>>     will be in a second releasea [271]←
>> 16:20:20 <karen> ...I would like to see it in the annotations work if po
>> ssible
>> 
>>      [270] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [272]Karen Myers: ...I would like to see it in the annotations
>>     work if possible [273]←
>> 16:20:24 <karen> Gerardo: I totally agree
>> 
>>      [272] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [274]Gerardo Capiel: I totally agree
>> 16:20:44 <karen> ...accessibility was not thought through in first pass
>> with [example Hypothes.is]
>> 
>>      [274] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>> 
>>     [275]Karen Myers: ...accessibility was not thought through in
>>     first pass with [example Hypothes.is] [276]←
>> 16:20:49 <karen> ...description, post production
>> 
>>      [275] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [277]Karen Myers: ...description, post production [278]←
>> 16:21:13 <karen> Markus: we got that you agree with Suzanne
>> 
>>      [277] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [279]Markus Gylling: we got that you agree with Suzanne
>> 16:21:22 <karen> ...So is that an easy item for you to carry in here, Ro
>> b?
>> 
>>      [279] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [280]Karen Myers:: ...So is that an easy item for you to carry
>>     in here, Rob? [281]←
>> 16:21:40 <karen> Rob: I am not at all versed in accessibility concerns,
>> but happy to work with people who are
>> [282]
>> 
>>      [280] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [282] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     Robert Sanderson:  I am not at all versed in accessibility
>>     concerns, but happy to work with people who are
>> 16:21:47 <karen> ...I could not draft a first version of that requiremen
>> t
>> 
>>     [283]Karen Myers: ...I could not draft a first version of that
>>     requirement [284]←
>> 16:21:49 <karen> Markus: right
>> 
>>      [283] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [285]Markus Gylling: right
>> 16:22:00 <karen> ...if we look at your collection right now, it is not t
>> alking about interface properties
>> [286]
>> 
>>      [285] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [286] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...if we look at your collection right now, it is
>>     not talking about interface properties [287]←
>>     [288]Karen Myers:...talking about the data itself, not the
>>     interface [289]←
>>     [290]Robert Sanderson: one does touch on interface
>> 16:22:20 <gcapiel> Sorry, on train.  I was just saying that annotations
>> are very applicable for post-production image description and descriptio
>> n of other visual elements.  Also, it seems that accessibility has been
>> an afterthought with existing solutions.
>> 
>>      [288] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [290] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     [291]Gerardo Capiel: Sorry, on train. I was just saying that
>>     annotations are very applicable for post-production image
>>     description and description of other visual elements. Also, it
>>     seems that accessibility has been an afterthought with existing
>>     solutions. [292]←
>> 16:22:23 <karen> ...maintaining interface style
>> 
>>      [291] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>> 
>>     [293]Karen Myers: ...maintaining interface style [294]←
>> 16:22:29 <karen> ...draw in white vs black
>> 
>>      [293] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [295]Karen Myers: ...draw in white vs black [296]←
>> 16:22:42 <karen> ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover up u
>> seful text
>> [297]
>> 
>>      [295] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...place a pop-up at this point so as not to cover
>>     up useful text [298]←
>> 16:22:56 <karen> ...those are related to the user experience, if not rel
>> ated to the user interface
>> [299]
>> 
>>      [299] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...those are related to the user experience, if
>>     not related to the user interface [300]←
>> 16:23:10 <karen> Suzanne: I would suggest that the accessibility task fo
>> rce read through and add small comments
>> 
>>     [301]Suzanne Taylor: I would suggest that the accessibility
>>     task force read through and add small comments
>> 16:23:24 <karen> ...and then we add one additional use case which descri
>> bes the recommended functionality
>> 
>>      [301] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>> 
>>     [302]Karen Myers: ...and then we add one additional use case
>>     which describes the recommended functionality [303]←
>>     [304]Karen Myers: ...or requirements [305]←
>> 16:23:41 <karen> ...we have an initial draft and could vet that and move
>>   over to annotations area
>> 
>>      [302] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [304] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [306]Karen Myers: ...we have an initial draft and could vet
>>     that and move over to annotations area [307]←
>> 16:23:54 <karen> Markus: in terms of the accessibility task force review
>> , what date can we set for you?
>> 
>>      [306] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [308]Markus Gylling: in terms of the accessibility task force
>>     review, what date can we set for you?
>> 16:24:05 <karen> ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday, or is tha
>> t overly optimistic?
>> 
>>      [308] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [309]Karen Myers: ...Any chance you can do this by next Monday,
>>     or is that overly optimistic? [310]←
>> 16:24:11 <karen> Gerardo: I can work on the plane
>> 
>>      [309] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [311]Gerardo Capiel: I can work on the plane
>> 
>>      [311] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>> 
>>     [312]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I would like to look at it, but
>>     have people in Austin this week
>> 16:24:33 <karen> ...so could not get to it until the weekend or early ne
>> xt week
>> [313]
>> 
>>      [312] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>>      [313] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...so could not get to it until the weekend or
>>     early next week [314]←
>> 16:24:42 <karen> Suzanne: I would have trouble getting to it by the 3rd;
>>   maybe the 5th
>> 
>>     [315]Suzanne Taylor: I would have trouble getting to it by the
>>     3rd; maybe the 5th
>> 16:24:47 <karen> Markus: ok, that sounds good
>> [316]
>> 
>>      [315] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>>      [316] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Markus Gylling: ok, that sounds good
>> 16:25:05 <karen> Action: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibi
>> lity review by 4 February
>> 
>>     ACTION: Suzanne, Gerardo and Rich to complete accessibility
>>     review by 4 February [317]←
>> 16:25:05 <trackbot> Error finding 'Suzanne,'. You can review and registe
>> r nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
>> 
>>     Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'Suzanne,'. You can review and
>>     register nicknames at
>>     <[318]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>. [319]←
>> 16:25:17 <karen> ack Bill
>> [320]
>> 
>>      [318] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users%3E.
>>      [320] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ack Bill [321]←
>> 16:25:28 <gcapiel> There's some discussion of this topic during an Acces
>> sibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who has been involved in the
>> annotations work http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-bor
>> n-accessible-sprint.html?m=1
>> 
>>     [322]Gerardo Capiel: There's some discussion of this topic
>>     during an Accessibility Sprint which included Hypothes.is who
>>     has been involved in the annotations work
>>     [323]http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-a
>>     ccessible-sprint.html?m=1 [324]←
>> 16:25:28 <karen> Bill: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
>> 
>>      [322] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>>      [323]
>> http://kefletcher.blogspot.com/2013/06/born-digital-born-accessible-sprint.html?m=1
>> 
>>     [325]Bill Kasdorf: I put that on when Suzanne first commented
>> 16:25:39 <karen> ...there are also metadata implications for the annotat
>> ions spec
>> [326]
>> 
>>      [325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>>      [326] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...there are also metadata implications for the
>>     annotations spec [327]←
>> 16:25:48 <karen> ...but our situation is the opposite of accessibility
>> 
>>     [328]Karen Myers: ...but our situation is the opposite of
>>     accessibility [329]←
>>     [330]Karen Myers: ...metadata should take into account the
>>     finished state [331]←...rather than delay things [332]←
>> 16:26:13 <karen> ...metadata responds to use cases for implications
>> 
>>      [328] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [330] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [333]Karen Myers: ...metadata responds to use cases for
>>     implications [334]←
>> 16:26:24 <karen> Rob: What do people think about scope of metadata?
>> [335]
>> 
>>      [333] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [335] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     Robert Sanderson:  What do people think about scope of
>>     metadata?
>> 16:26:34 <karen> Bill: you are involved intimately in both
>> 
>>     [336]Bill Kasdorf: you are involved intimately in both
>> 16:26:51 <karen> Rob: Should metadata task force discuss annotations for
>>   metadata as well as publications, or both?
>> 
>>      [336] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     [337]Robert Sanderson:  Should metadata task force discuss
>>     annotations for metadata as well as publications, or both?
>> 16:27:03 <karen> Markus: Bill?
>> 
>>      [337] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     [338]Markus Gylling: Bill?
>> 16:27:09 <karen> Bill: waiting for others to respond
>> 
>>      [338] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [339]Bill Kasdorf: waiting for others to respond
>> 16:27:15 <karen> ...I think there will be blurred lines there
>> 
>>      [339] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     [340]Karen Myers: ...I think there will be blurred lines there
>>     [341]←
>> 16:27:24 <karen> ...publications...whether regarding annotations or basi
>> c publication
>> 
>>      [340] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [342]Karen Myers: ...publications...whether regarding
>>     annotations or basic publication [343]←
>> 16:27:34 <karen> ...we can responsibly address them after the annotation
>>   issues are clarified
>> 
>>      [342] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [344]Karen Myers: ...we can responsibly address them after the
>>     annotation issues are clarified [345]←
>>     [346]Karen Myers: ...we would not be driving annotations use
>>     cases, but some use cases could arise [347]←
>> 16:27:51 <karen> Markus: ok, good
>> 
>>      [344] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [346] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [348]Markus Gylling: ok, good
>> 16:27:55 <lizadaly> q?
>> 
>>      [348] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [349]Liza Daly: q? [350]←
>> 16:28:02 <azaroth> ack azaroth
>> 
>>      [349] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
>> 
>>     [351]Robert Sanderson: ack azaroth [352]←
>> 16:28:17 <karen> Markus: in terms of timing
>> 
>>      [351] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     [353]Markus Gylling: in terms of timing
>> 16:28:28 <karen> ....by 5th the accessibility review is completed
>> 
>>      [353] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [354]Karen Myers: ....by 5th the accessibility review is
>>     completed [355]←
>> 16:28:35 <karen> ...so we can target February 10
>> 
>>      [354] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [356]Karen Myers: ...so we can target February 10 [357]←
>> 16:28:48 <karen> ...which would be our first opportunity for IG blessing
>>   to have first draft for review
>> 
>>      [356] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [358]Karen Myers: ...which would be our first opportunity for
>>     IG blessing to have first draft for review [359]←
>> 16:28:55 <karen> ...and review is not only for accessibility folks
>> 
>>      [358] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [360]Karen Myers: ...and review is not only for accessibility
>>     folks [361]←
>> 16:29:05 <karen> ...please feel free to provide your input in the next w
>> eek
>> 
>>      [360] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [362]Karen Myers: ...please feel free to provide your input in
>>     the next week [363]←
>> 16:29:07 <Zakim> -fjh
>> 
>>      [362] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [364]←
>> 16:29:16 <karen> ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on when we re
>> ad through this?
>> 
>>     [365]Karen Myers: ...Rob, anything you want to alert the IG on
>>     when we read through this? [366]←
>> 16:29:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
>> 
>>      [365] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [367]←
>> 16:29:26 <karen> ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you have been
>>   thinkign about?
>> 
>>     [368]Karen Myers: ...weak areas, potential blind spots that you
>>     have been thinkign about? [369]←
>> 16:29:29 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
>> 
>>      [368] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [370]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [371]←
>> 16:29:29 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
>> 
>>      [370] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [372]←
>> 16:29:31 <karen> Rob: I don't think so
>> 
>>     [373]Robert Sanderson:  I don't think so
>> 16:29:43 <karen> ...the later use cases are weaker than the earlier ones
>>   just due to use case fatigue
>> 
>>      [373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>> 
>>     [374]Karen Myers: ...the later use cases are weaker than the
>>     earlier ones just due to use case fatigue [375]←
>> 16:29:49 <karen> ...any comments and suggestions are very welcome
>> 
>>      [374] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [376]Karen Myers: ...any comments and suggestions are very
>>     welcome [377]←
>> 16:29:56 <karen> Markus: the queue is empty
>> 
>>      [376] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [378]Markus Gylling: the queue is empty
>> 16:30:11 <karen> ...if there are not more comments on annotations, we ar
>> e ready to move onto the next agenda item
>> 
>>      [378] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [379]Karen Myers: ...if there are not more comments on
>>     annotations, we are ready to move onto the next agenda item
>>     [380]←
>>     [381]Karen Myers: ...I'm glad we have Gerardo and Suzanne here
>>     [382]←
>> 16:30:30 <karen> ...as the next item relates to accessibility
>> 
>>      [379] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [381] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [383]Karen Myers: ...as the next item relates to accessibility
>>     [384]←
>>     [385]Karen Myers: ...and we have Rich here as well [386]←
>> 16:30:39 <karen> ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
>> 
>>      [383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [387]Karen Myers: ...Rich, perhaps you can summarize
>>     [388]Richard Schwerdtfeger: one of things we agreed to do is to
>>     create some modules off of ARIA to apply additional semantics
>>     to assistive technologies through browsers
>> 16:31:09 <karen> ...make structural semantics available through ARIA
>> 
>>      [387] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [388] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>>     [389]Karen Myers: ...make structural semantics available
>>     through ARIA [390]←
>>     [391]Karen Myers: ...we would need to have some people from
>>     this IG part of that effort [392]←
>> 16:31:32 <karen> ...and coordinate with main WG and collaborate
>> 
>>      [389] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [391] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [393]Karen Myers: ...and coordinate with main WG and
>>     collaborate [394]←
>>     [395]Karen Myers:...We would start with structural semantics
>>     [396]←
>> 16:31:45 <karen> ...we don't want to slow down the work others are doing
>> 
>>      [393] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [395] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [397]Karen Myers:: ...we don't want to slow down the work
>>     others are doing
>> 16:31:56 <karen> ...Would be great if someone could volunteer to do the
>> editing
>> 
>>      [397] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [398]Karen Myers: ...Would be great if someone could volunteer
>>     to do the editing [399]←
>> 16:32:00 <karen> ...does that summarzie?
>> 
>>      [398] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [400]Karen Myers: ...does that summarzie?
>>     [401]Markus Gylling: yes; what timeline?
>>     [402]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Depends how fast we move and get
>>     things implemented
>> 16:32:27 <karen> ...you have done most of work, you have defined semanti
>> cs
>> [403]
>> 
>>      [400] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [401] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [402] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>>      [403] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...you have done most of work, you have defined
>>     semantics [404]←
>> 16:32:33 <karen> ...main thing is to get out to browsers
>> 
>>     [405]Karen Myers: ...main thing is to get out to browsers
>>     [406]←
>> 16:32:41 <karen> ...biggest thing is getting to CR
>> 
>>      [405] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [407]Karen Myers: ...biggest thing is getting to CR [408]←
>> 16:32:46 <karen> ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next eyar
>> 
>>      [407] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [409]Karen Myers: ...we're looking for 1.1 by end of next year
>>     [410]←
>> 16:33:00 <karen> ...I don't know if we can do it in that time frame, but
>>   I'm willing to work with people to get that to happen
>> 
>>      [409] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [411]Karen Myers: ...I don't know if we can do it in that time
>>     frame, but I'm willing to work with people to get that to
>>     happen
>>     [412]Karen Myers: ...I work with many assistive technology
>>     vendors
>>     [413]Gerardo Capiel: Some of this also came out [414]←
>> 16:33:21 <karen> ...from @
>> 
>>      [411] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [412] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [413] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>> 
>>     [415]Karen Myers: ...from @ [416]←
>> 16:33:29 <karen> ...when we had discussion with SVG WG
>> 
>>      [415] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [417]Karen Myers: ...when we had discussion with SVG WG [418]←
>> 16:33:33 <karen> ...graphs in SVG
>> 
>>      [417] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [419]Karen Myers: ...graphs in SVG [420]←
>> 16:33:39 <karen> ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
>> 
>>      [419] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [421]Karen Myers: ...need for additional ARIA roles came up
>>     [422]←
>> 16:33:45 <karen> ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it
>> [423]
>> 
>>      [421] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [423] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...Rich and Doug Schepers know about it [424]←
>> 16:33:52 <karen> ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
>> 
>>     [425]Karen Myers: ...We are planning a call at EDUPUB2
>>     [426]Richard Schwerdtfeger: We also agreed to form a module for
>>     graphics
>> 
>>      [425] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [426] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>> 16:34:09 <karen> ...as long as that's not an issue
>> 
>>     [427]Karen Myers: ...as long as that's not an issue [428]←
>> 16:34:12 <karen> Gerardo: perfect
>> 
>>      [427] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [429]Gerardo Capiel: perfect
>>     [430]Markus Gylling: We have @ from ETS
>> 16:34:27 <karen> ...is that possible for 1.1?
>> 
>>      [429] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>>      [430] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [431]Karen Myers: ...is that possible for 1.1? [432]←
>>     [433]Karen Myers: we are full up [434]←
>> 16:34:41 <karen> ...I would have to take that back to the working group
>> [435]
>> 
>>      [431] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [433] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [435] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...I would have to take that back to the working
>>     group [436]←
>> 16:34:46 <karen> ...were you thinking TI?
>> 
>>     [437]Karen Myers: ...were you thinking TI? [438]←
>> 16:34:58 <karen> Markus: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been thinking
>> 
>>      [437] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [439]Markus Gylling: Mark Hakenen and you, Laura have been
>>     thinking
>> 16:35:04 <karen> Laura: Mark has been working with you
>> 
>>      [439] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [440]Laura Fowler: Mark has been working with you
>> 16:35:10 <karen> ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
>> 
>>      [440] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
>> 
>>     [441]Karen Myers: ...and will be talking about ARIA at EDUPUB
>>     [442]←
>> 16:35:15 <karen> Markus: right
>> 
>>      [441] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [443]Markus Gylling: right
>>     [444]Laura Fowler: I don't know how far he has gotten with that
>> 16:35:26 <gcapiel> To add to minutes, I'm referring to using ARIA roles
>> to aid SVG sonification
>> 
>>      [443] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [444] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
>> 
>>     [445]Gerardo Capiel: To add to minutes, I'm referring to using
>>     ARIA roles to aid SVG sonification [446]←
>> 16:35:29 <karen> ...or how ready he would be
>> 
>>      [445] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
>> 
>>     [447]Karen Myers: ...or how ready he would be [448]←
>> 16:35:44 <karen> Markus: we hope to clarify parts of that at EDUPUB2
>> 
>>      [447] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [449]Markus Gylling: we hope to clarify parts of that at
>>     EDUPUB2
>>     [450]Karen Myers: ...if I understand there are two modules
>>     agreed [451]←
>> 16:36:02 <karen> ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks semantics
>> 
>>      [449] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [450] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [452]Karen Myers: ...one for graphics and one for basic ebooks
>>     semantics [453]←
>>     [454]Karen Myers: ...your call for participation and editor is
>>     for both? [455]←
>>     [456]Karen Myers:...or epub ones?
>>     [457]Richard Schwerdtfeger: I want to meet with Doug and
>>     Gerardo at EDUPUB 2
>> 16:36:35 <karen> ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
>> 
>>      [452] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [454] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [456] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [457] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>>     [458]Karen Myers: ...I'm chairing accessibility workshop
>>     M[459]arkus Gylling: If anyone wants to sign up for this
>>     module, make yourself heard
>> 16:36:58 <Suzanne> I will volunteer to participate
>> 
>>      [458] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [459] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [460]Suzanne Taylor: I will volunteer to participate [461]←
>> 16:37:00 <karen> ...I plan to join but would love to have more people sh
>> owing up
>> 
>>      [460] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Suzanne_Taylor
>> 
>>     [462]Karen Myers: ...I plan to join but would love to have more
>>     people showing up [463]←
>> 16:37:15 <karen> ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last week?
>> 
>>      [462] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [464]Karen Myers: ...Rich, anything else from TF meeting last
>>     week?
>>     [465]Richard Schwerdtfeger: we're looking at test cases and the
>>     2.0 timeline as well
>> 16:37:34 <karen> Markus: seeing that we have a little extra time
>> 
>>      [464] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [465] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>>     [466]Markus Gylling: seeing that we have a little extra time
>> 16:37:59 <karen> ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type attr
>> ibutes    16:37:50 <karen> ...One of things that's going on, is that IDP
>> F and epub is looking for a more native solution to express structural s
>> emantics[467]Karen
>>                Myers: ...One of things
>>        that's going on, is that IDPF and epub is looking for a more nativ
>> e
>>        solution to express structural semantics [468]←
>> 
>>      [466] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [467] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>> [469]
>> 
>>      [469] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...as most of you know, we use the epub colon type
>>     attributes [470]←
>> 16:38:17 <karen> ...we are exploring options to move away from that, not
>>   name-space based, but something more native based to browser stack
>> 
>>     [471]Karen Myers: ...we are exploring options to move away from
>>     that, not name-space based, but something more native based to
>>     browser stack [472]←
>> 16:38:20 <karen> ...a couple solutions
>> 
>>      [471] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [473]Karen Myers: ...a couple solutions [474]←
>> 16:38:26 <karen> ..have been suggestions
>> [475]
>> 
>>      [473] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [475] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers:..have been suggestions [476]←
>> 16:38:34 <karen> ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
>> 
>>     [477]Karen Myers: ...one from Robin Berjon, editor of HTML5
>>     [478]←
>>     [479]Karen Myers:...another option is to make the rule
>>     attributes less @ centric and more generic [480]←
>> 16:39:05 <karen> ...Is that right Rich?
>> 
>>      [477] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [479] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [481]Karen Myers: ...Is that right Rich?
>>     [482]Richard Schwerdtfeger: yes, as long as it does not break
>>     accessibility
>> 16:39:28 <karen> ...services...then I don't see an issue
>> 
>>      [481] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [482] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>>     [483]Karen Myers: ...services...then I don't see an issue
>>     [484]Markus Gylling: this means there are two avenues to look
>>     into
>> 16:39:42 <karen> ...this IG is only partially involved here
>> 
>>      [483] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [484] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [485]Karen Myers: ...this IG is only partially involved here
>>     [486]Karen Myers:...serving as a bridge to these discussions
>>     [487]←
>> 16:40:00 <karen> ...but sounds more like a discussion that needs to happ
>> en with HTML5 folks and the TF
>> 
>>      [485] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [486] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [488]Karen Myers: ...but sounds more like a discussion that
>>     needs to happen with HTML5 folks and the TF [489]←
>> 16:40:08 <karen> ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
>> 
>>      [488] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [490]Karen Myers: ...any more questions regarding PF and roles?
>> 16:40:12 <karen> ...great
>> [491]
>> 
>>      [490] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [491] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...great [492]←
>> 16:40:22 <karen> ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call for parti
>> cipation
>> 
>>     [493]Karen Myers: ...we'll see, Rich, how it goes with the call
>>     for participation [494]←
>> 16:40:32 <karen> ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign up for ne
>> xt week's call
>> 
>>      [493] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [495]Karen Myers: ...we'll try perhaps to gather people to sign
>>     up for next week's call
>> 16:40:36 <karen> ...with a week to think about this
>> 
>>      [495] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [496]Karen Myers: ...with a week to think about this
>>     [497]Richard Schwerdtfeger: that's perfect [timeline]
>>     [498]Markus Gylling: final agenda item is the focus task force
>>     for next meeting
>> 16:41:02 <karen> ...I wrote to two of them
>> 
>>      [496] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [497] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>>      [498] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [499]Karen Myers:: ...I wrote to two of them [500]←
>> 16:41:12 <karen> ...I see some in a pretty early state
>> 
>>      [499] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [501]Karen Myers: ...I see some in a pretty early state [502]←
>> 16:41:15 <karen> ...such as metadata
>> 
>>      [501] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [503]Karen Myers:...such as metadata [504]←
>> 16:41:23 <karen> ...Bill, Brady, what do you think?
>> 
>>      [503] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [505]Karen Myers: ...Bill, Brady, what do you think? [506]←
>> 16:41:36 <karen> Bill: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata i
>> f group wants to do that
>> [507]
>> 
>>      [505] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [507] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     Bill Kasdorf: I would be happy to next week focus on metadata
>>     if group wants to do that
>> 16:41:45 <karen> ...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi would be a
>> s well
>> 
>>     [508]Karen Myers:...Ivan will be on call next week; hope Madi
>>     would be as well [509]←
>> 16:41:57 <karen> ...It did just get started up
>> 
>>      [508] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [510]Karen Myers: ...It did just get started up [511]←
>> 16:42:11 <karen> ...if we devote next week's meeting, we should avoid ge
>> tting into specifics, and focus on scope
>> 
>>      [510] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [512]Karen Myers: ...if we devote next week's meeting, we
>>     should avoid getting into specifics, and focus on scope [513]←
>> 16:42:22 <karen> ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the metadata disc
>> ussions
>> 
>>      [512] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [514]Karen Myers: ...it's easy to get into the weeds in the
>>     metadata discussions [515]←
>> 16:42:28 <karen> ...what became immediately clear on wiki discussions
>> 
>>      [514] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [516]Karen Myers:: ...what became immediately clear on wiki
>>     discussions [517]←
>>     [518]Karen Myers: ...is the importance of emphasizing the what
>>     rather than the how [519]←
>> 16:42:41 <karen> ...the mechanisms and solutions
>> 
>>      [516] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [518] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [520]Karen Myers: ...the mechanisms and solutions [521]←
>> 16:42:50 <karen> ...lots of details about metadata vocabularies
>> 
>>      [520] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [522]Karen Myers: ...lots of details about metadata
>>     vocabularies [523]←
>> 16:42:55 <karen> Brady: on the pagination side
>> 
>>      [522] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [524]Brady Duga: on the pagination side
>> 16:43:02 <karen> ...I don't remember agreeing to head this group
>> 
>>      [524] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>> 
>>     [525]Karen Myers: ...I don't remember agreeing to head this
>>     group [526]←
>> 16:43:09 <karen> ...I may have been nominated for it
>> 
>>      [525] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [527]Karen Myers: ...I may have been nominated for it [528]←
>> 16:43:18 <karen> ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral adaptations
>> 
>>      [527] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [529]Karen Myers: ...I am editing the wiki with behavioral
>>     adaptations [530]←
>> 16:43:29 <karen> ...but don't recall heading that group
>> 
>>      [529] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [531]Karen Myers: ...but don't recall heading that group [532]←
>> 16:43:31 <karen> Markus: that is right
>> 
>>      [531] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [533]Markus Gylling: that is right
>> 16:43:39 <karen> ...you took action to add DOM pagination
>> 
>>      [533] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [534]Karen Myers: ...you took action to add DOM pagination
>>     [535]←
>>     [536]Karen Myers:...I am to blame for elevating you to task
>>     force lead [537]←
>> 16:43:49 <brady_duga> Sorry, deadzone
>> 
>>      [534] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [536] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [538]Brady Duga: Sorry, deadzone [539]←
>> 16:43:52 <brady_duga> I dropped
>> 
>>      [538] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>> 
>>     [540]Brady Duga: I dropped [541]←
>> 16:43:54 <karen> ...this is an important area
>> 
>>      [540] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>> 
>>     [542]Karen Myers: ...this is an important area [543]←
>> 16:44:07 <karen> ...even if we change the task force lead to someone els
>> e, we still need to get going
>> 
>>      [542] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [544]Karen Myers: ...even if we change the task force lead to
>>     someone else, we still need to get going [545]←
>> 16:44:16 <karen> Bill: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
>> 
>>      [544] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [546]Bill Kasdorf: I am happy to have call focus on metadata
>> 16:44:24 <karen> ...we have a framework for discussion on the wiki
>> 
>>      [546] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     [547]Karen Myers: ...we have a framework for discussion on the
>>     wiki [548]←
>>     [549]Karen Myers:...but if next week is better used for @ I am
>>     happy to defer [550]←
>> 16:44:51 <karen> Markus: I think we are good to go with metadata next we
>> ek
>> 
>>      [547] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [549] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [551]Markus Gylling: I think we are good to go with metadata
>>     next week
>> 16:44:59 <karen> ...and Brady and I can sort things out on pagination
>> [552]
>> 
>>      [551] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [552] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...and Brady and I can sort things out on
>>     pagination [553]←
>> 16:45:07 <karen> Brady: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
>> 
>>     [554]Brady Duga: I will be adding some stuff to the wiki
>> 16:45:20 <karen> ...will be a strength to that section and I'll particip
>> ate in that group
>> 
>>      [554] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>> 
>>     [555]Karen Myers: ...will be a strength to that section and
>>     I'll participate in that group [556]←
>> 16:45:23 <karen> ...On a side note
>> 
>>      [555] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [557]Karen Myers: ...On a side note [558]←
>> 16:45:33 <karen> ...adding something to wiki, we don't have reading syst
>> em authors there
>> 
>>      [557] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [559]Karen Myers: ...adding something to wiki, we don't have
>>     reading system authors there [560]←
>> 16:45:46 <karen> Markus: that is still open-ended
>> 
>>      [559] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [561]Markus Gylling: that is still open-ended
>>     [562]Karen Myers: ...if you find yourself in corner, feel free
>>     to add it [563]←
>> 16:46:04 <karen> Brady: just add it and it appears?
>> 
>>      [561] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [562] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [564]Brady Duga: just add it and it appears?
>> 16:46:05 <karen> Markus: yes
>> 
>>      [564] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
>> 
>>     [565]Markus Gylling: yes
>> 16:46:12 <karen> ...I think we are settled and done for the day?
>> 
>>      [565] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     [566]Karen Myers: ...I think we are settled and done for the
>>     day? [567]←
>> 16:46:16 <karen> ...Any other business?
>> 
>>      [566] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [568]Karen Myers: ...Any other business? [569]←
>> 16:46:21 <karen> ...super
>> 
>>      [568] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [570]Karen Myers: ...super [571]←
>> 16:46:30 <karen> ...please recall your review of the annotations collect
>> ions warmly welcome
>> 
>>      [570] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [572]Karen Myers:...please recall your review of the
>>     annotations collections warmly welcome [573]←
>> 16:46:45 <karen> ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a dedicated review
>>   from an accessibility perspective
>> 
>>      [572] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [574]Karen Myers: ...Suzanne, Rich and Gerardo will do a
>>     dedicated review from an accessibility perspective
>>     [575]Richard Schwerdtfeger: Are there any other aspects of
>>     annotation being included?
>> 16:47:02 <karen> ...I saw a mark
>> 
>>      [574] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [575] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>>     [576]Karen Myers: ...I saw a mark [577]←
>> 16:47:04 <Zakim> -duga
>> 
>>      [576] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -duga [578]←
>> 16:47:11 <karen> ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
>> 
>>     [579]Karen Myers: ...are you referencing mark element in HTML5?
>>     [580]←
>> 16:47:19 <karen> Markus: Maybe you are not aware of the open annotation
>> CG
>> 
>>      [579] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [581]Markus Gylling: Maybe you are not aware of the open
>>     annotation CG
>> 16:47:23 <karen> ...you mentioned at the PF call
>> [582]
>> 
>>      [581] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [582] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...you mentioned at the PF call [583]←
>> 16:47:29 <azaroth> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
>> 
>>     [584]Robert Sanderson:
>>     [585]http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ [586]←
>> 16:47:31 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Soc
>> ial_Reading_and_Annotations
>> 
>>      [584] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>      [585] http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
>> 
>>     [587]Markus Gylling:
>>     [588]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Re
>>     ading_and_Annotations [589]←
>> 16:47:34 <karen> Markus: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair of th
>> at
>> 
>>      [587] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [588]
>> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
>> 
>>     [590]Markus Gylling: Rob Sanderson from this group is co-chair
>>     of that
>> 16:47:40 <Zakim> -fjh
>> 
>>      [590] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [591]←
>> 16:47:45 <karen> ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a rec track
>>   version of open annotations
>> 
>>     [592]Karen Myers: ...and is working with W3C staff to propose a
>>     rec track version of open annotations
>>     [593]Karen Myers: ...and epub also working on integrating
>>     [594]←
>> 16:47:58 <karen> ...you may want to read in on that
>> [595]
>> 
>>      [592] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [593] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>>      [595] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...you may want to read in on that [596]←
>>     [597]Karen Myers:...good opportunity for an inverted long desk
>>     [598]←
>> 16:48:21 <karen> Rob: if there is anything I can do to help, shoot me an
>>   email; happy to do what I can
>> 
>>      [597] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     [599]Robert Sanderson:  if there is anything I can do to help,
>>     shoot me an email; happy to do what I can
>>     M[600]arkus Gylling: any other questions?
>> 16:48:34 <karen> ...thank you for today
>> [601]
>> 
>>      [599] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
>>      [600] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
>>      [601] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers: ...thank you for today [602]←
>> 16:48:38 <karen> ...thank you, Karen for scribing
>> 
>>     [603]Karen Myers: ...thank you, Karen for scribing
>> 16:48:39 <Zakim> -gcapiel
>> 
>>      [603] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel [604]←
>> 16:48:40 <Zakim> -lizadaly
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -lizadaly [605]←
>> 16:48:40 <Zakim> -mgylling
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling [606]←
>> 16:48:41 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aabb
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.336.aabb [607]←
>> 16:48:42 <Zakim> -dshkolnik
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -dshkolnik [608]←
>> 16:48:42 <Zakim> -Vlad
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad [609]←
>> 16:48:42 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
>> 
>>     Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf [610]←
>> 16:48:43 <karen> ...meeting adjourned
>> [611]
>> 
>>      [611] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Karen_Myers
>> 
>>     Karen Myers:...meeting adjourned
>>     [612]Richard Schwerdtfeger: (handle)42@gmail.com
>> 17:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Marilyn, in DPUB_DP
>> UBIG()11:00AM
>>       __________________________________________________________
>> 
>>      [612] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Richard_Schwerdtfeger
>> 
>> 
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