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RE: [latinreq] Footnotes and columns

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:09:51 +0100
To: "liam@w3.org" <liam@w3.org>, "Cramer, Dave" <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>
CC: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <8FC11CDCAA2F2D4B9D5338201F06B48D2BA50ADE25@HLVALCCR.intrahl.com>
Hi,

I've seen in France multicolumn footnotes on single column pages, for school books on public domain texts.

Best
Luc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Liam R E Quin [mailto:liam@w3.org] 
Envoyé : jeudi 19 décembre 2013 00:16
À : Cramer, Dave
Cc : W3C Digital Publishing IG
Objet : Re: [latinreq] Footnotes and columns

On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 16:39 -0500, Cramer, Dave wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> How do you place footnotes in multi-column text? I've seen the
> following:
> 
> [1] Footnotes placed in same column as reference, at bottom of page
> [2] Footnotes placed in same column as reference, at bottom of column
> (if the column is short, the footnote will not be near the bottom of
> the page)
> [3] Footnotes in two-column layout placed only at bottom of right-hand
> column
> [4] Footnotes placed in region that spans all columns of page (so
> footnotes are 1-column even if text is multi-column).

[5] Footnotes placed in region that spans all columns of page, but which
itself multi-column (not necessarily same number of columns as the
body).

I put some footnote examples up a few years ago for XSL-FO work:
https://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/Group/2008/06/footnote-examples/

At that time we agreed some of them were not in scope for our work: you
still need to solve the underlying problems of course, but not
necessarily with exactly the same layout. But that was for XSL-FO and
not CSS.

> I'm especially interested in what happens when columns are short,
> uneven, or if the column count changes on a page.

Uneven, 2 common cases:
1. there's a single footnote area spanning all the columns, just as tall
as the biggest stack of notes.
2. per-column footnote areas, as in e,g,
https://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/Group/2008/06/footnote-examples/pages/Kieckhefer-ForbiddenRites-276/


If the column-count changes, sometimes you "empty out" all footnotes in
the middle of the page, so they are really end-notes for a section.
Otherwise, the number of columns in the footnote area doesn't need to
relate to the number of columns in the body.

> I'm also curious how common it is to set footnotes in multiple columns
> when the body text is a single column.

Very common in humanities academic publishing I think, where you have a
lot of short footnotes.

https://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/Group/2008/06/footnote-examples/pages/Charles-II-Pseudepigrapha-Ahikar-745/
also shows two levels of footnotes - per column, and per page.

Liam


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