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RE: [metadata] FYI: BIBTEX Update at the LoC

From: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:39:25 +0000
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
CC: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
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From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org] 
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 5:24 AM
To: Robert Sanderson
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Subject: Re: [metadata] FYI: BIBTEX Update at the LoC


On 05 Dec 2013, at 14:47 , Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com> wrote:

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> My concerns with the Bibframe effort are many, but their explicit decision NOT to reuse any existing ontologies is extremely worrying.  Regardless of the fact that their machines were shutdown along with the rest of the government, they claim that they cannot trust other ontologies to still be available in the future (even W3C ones!) and hence won't adopt any existing work.

I do understand (and agree with!) the concern but we may be at the beginning of a road here. As far as I can see, the core BIBFRAME model is extremely simple[1], and it becomes, potentially, more powerful by using it as just a scaffolding mechanism to possibly combine terms from different vocabularies. O.k., this may be a wishful thinking from my side, but I want to give Zepheira/LoC the benefit of the doubt at this time on that...

(Full disclosure: Eric Miller, who has co-created Zepheira, and also appears on the talk was, as I said, part of the W3C team, and we were really good buddies as colleagues; this may make me hardly objective...)

Ivan

[1] http://www.loc.gov/bibframe/pdf/marcld-report-11-21-2012.pdf


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> Given their other, equally concerning, XML to RDF conversions such as MODS/RDF, I would be very cautious in expecting anything useful or even understandable to come out of the bibframe effort.
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> Rob
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> http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/modsrdf-primer.html
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> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> I am not sure this is directly relevant to the Metadata Task Force discussion, but it may be of interest nevertheless:
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> http://www.loc.gov/bibframe/media/updateforum-nov22-2013.html
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> contains a fairly long video on LoC's BIBTEX initiative. Yes, it is library metadata, not publishers' metadata, but I guess one of the challenges in general is how to bring those together.
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> Eric Miller, who is one of the developers (and, actually, who led the Semantic Web Activity at W3C until 2007) makes a very high level case for the usage of a BIBTEX-like structure (starting around 49:00 in the video). His talk lacks technical details for my taste, but I guess that was the nature of the audience...
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