# Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

## 15 May 2013

[Agenda][3]

See also: [IRC log][4]

## Attendees

Present

    Frederick_Hirsch, Giri_Mandyam, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
Anssi_Kostiainen, Clarke_Stevens

Regrets

    Josh_Soref

Chair

    Frederick_Hirsch

Scribe

    fjh

## Contents

  * [Topics][5]

    1. [Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements][6]

    2. [Minutes approval][7]

    3. [Shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick
Contacts intent][8]

    4. [Vibration][9]

    5. [Proximity, Light][10]

    6. [Sensors][11]

    7. [Editor Update: Network Service Discovery][12]

    8. [Action Review][13]

    9. [Issue Review][14]

    10. [TPAC F2F][15]

    11. [Other Business][16]

    12. [Adjourn][17]

  * [Summary of Action Items][18]

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<trackbot> Date: 15 May 2013

<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh

### Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements

Reminder, June F2F has been canceled, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
/public-device-apis/2013Mar/0035.html][19]

HTML Media Capture CR draft published last Thursday, 9 May,
[http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-html-media-capture-20130509/][20]

### Minutes approval

Approve minutes from 8 May 2013

[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013May/att-0039/minutes-2013-05-08.html][21]

**RESOLUTION: Minutes from 8 May 2013 are approved**

### Shelving Web Intents, Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick
Contacts intent

fjh: sent CfC to shelve, ends this Friday 17 May, general support for shelving

... Art suggested we publish Web Intents as WG Note, I agree that is a good
idea, please indicate support for that in response to CfC

[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0020.html][22]

fjh: I think we can plan to publish Note next Thur assuming CfC ok, have
suggested edits and status section changes to Greg, Art had some further
additions

### Vibration

updated editors draft: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013May/0025.html][23]

CfC to publish another Last Call WD (CfC ends 21 May please respond):
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0037.html][24]

fjh: please indicate support on list, I'm assuming that this process of going
to LC then CR again will not cause delay or problems

dom: the transition request might be handled by email if no more LC concerns

### Proximity, Light

Plans to update technical approach: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
/public-device-apis/2013May/0026.html][25]

Suggested update to privacy considerations section
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0022.html][26]
(Frederick)

fjh: I suggested privacy considerations, have not seen feedback, Anssi?

anssik: looks ok to me, I can update the specification

fjh: I think we can go ahead and update the specifications, currently the
security and privacy considerations are blank, we can still accept further
constructive comments

Open issue: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013May/0034.html][27]

fjh: how do we handle the issue, wait a while, note the issue in the spec

anssik: would prefer to wait and if we do not have a proposal, then revert the
specification

<dom> +1 on waiting

anssik: just got concern yesterday, open issue in bug tracker, so hope they
are doing prototyping

fjh: maybe you can ask if they are prototyping

anssik: asked this implicitly

... so lets wait

... they are definitely implementing, so I think they need time to experiment
and think about the issue. Can get ideas from working code.

fjh: suggest we revisit at end of this month

anssik: sounds reasonable

### Sensors

fjh: the issue of the consolidated sensor spec has come up again, a previous
issue that we decided against, should we be revisiting it?

anssik: suggest we wait for a concrete proposal

fjh: that sounds reasonable and all should know that addressing an issue would
require another proposal to consider

gmandyam: not good sensor APIs on handheld devices in native APIs

fjh: this is part of the reason we separated the functionality and went with
modular specs - to enable implementation and testing of items; we are aware of
commonality concerns but wanted modular approach

gmandyam: this answers my question

### Editor Update: Network Service Discovery

prefix issue , [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013Apr/0054.html][28] (Jean-Claude)

status [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013May/0028.html][29] (Rich)

fjh: Rich responded indicating we may want to wait until Cathy returns in
July, I suggest if any discussion can happen on list in advance that would be
helpful

### Action Review

ACTION-523?

<trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to work on test cases for battery,
vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523][30]

anssik: starting with HTML Media Capture

fjh: good if others can help as well, so if you share on list that might
encourage them

ACTION-621?

<trackbot> ACTION-621 -- Anssi Kostiainen to create test cases for HTML Media
Capture -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/621][31]

ACTION-625?

<trackbot> ACTION-625 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to move DAP tests to Git,
with help from others as needed -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/625][32]

fjh: i believe still in progress

... not sure how much work is involved

dom: technical work is easy but need help making sure we are clear on tests WG
has approved

<scribe> pending items

ACTION-446?

<trackbot> ACTION-446 -- Frederick Hirsch to review security issue
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0006.html][33]
-- due 2011-08-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/446][34]

fjh: did this, nothing directly relevant now

close ACTION-446

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-446 Review security issue
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2011Aug/0006.html.][35]

ACTION-591?

<trackbot> ACTION-591 -- Greg Billock to work with Mounir and James to create
new webintents draft that reflects web activities and issues -- due 2013-03-29
-- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/591][36]

fjh: Greg and Mounir agreed to close, meeting was held and documented, further
work will depend on implementation experience and experiments

close ACTION-591

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-591 Work with Mounir and James to create new
webintents draft that reflects web activities and issues.

ACTION-622?

<trackbot> ACTION-622 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on concrete actions
based on PING input -- due 2013-03-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/622][37]

fjh: I shared concrete suggestions, see [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
/public-device-apis/2013May/0022.html][26]

ACTION-622: I shared concrete suggestions, see
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0022.html][26]

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-622 Follow up on concrete actions based on
PING input.

close ACTION-622

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-622 Follow up on concrete actions based on PING
input.

ACTION-630?

<trackbot> ACTION-630 -- Frederick Hirsch to send CfC re shelving Web Intents,
Web Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent -- due
2013-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/630][38]

ACTION-630: CfC sent [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013May/0018.html][39]

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-630 Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web
Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent.

ACTION-630: suggestion to publish Web Intents as WG Note
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0020.html][22]

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-630 Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web
Intents Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent.

close ACTION-630

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-630 Send CfC re shelving Web Intents, Web Intents
Addendum, Pick Media Intent, Pick Contacts intent.

### Issue Review

ISSUE-127?

<trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Status section of Battery CR draft should include exit
criteria and at-risk items -- open

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/127][40]

fjh: need to check this

... checked, Battery CR draft does not include this information in status
section - [http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-battery-status-20120508/][41]

... however this was recorded in the transition announcement, so I will close
this issue

ISSUE-127: information is included in member-only transition announcement,
[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012AprJun/0032.html][42]

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-127 Status section of Battery CR draft should
include exit criteria and at-risk items.

close ISSUE-127

<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-127 Status section of Battery CR draft should include
exit criteria and at-risk items.

ISSUE-128?

<trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Need more description on how bandwidth should be
estimated -- open

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/128][43]

fjh: discussion ongoing on list

ISSUE-128: recent discussion thread starts here:
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013May/0010.html][44]

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-128 Need more description on how bandwidth
should be estimated.

ISSUE-128: concerns, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2013May/0012.html][45]

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-128 Need more description on how bandwidth
should be estimated.

ISSUE-128: support for concerns, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
device-apis/2013May/0014.html][46]

<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-128 Need more description on how bandwidth
should be estimated.

### TPAC F2F

fjh: have scheduled DAP F2F during TPAC in China for Thur/Fri 14-15 November

... consistent with Sys Apps on Mon/Tue

... anticipate joint session with Media Capture TF on Thur or Fri, they cannot
do this Mon/Tue due to Mon/Tue Web RTC meeting

... thus Thur/Fri makes sense

... expect with this and ongoing work enough work, probably 1.5 days, depends
on the details - if we have Web Intents topics then more than we will have
time for

... will need to review as we get nearer to make sure we have appropriate
agenda for f2f

... Dom, how do we get an invitation letter and what we need to get a Visa?

dom: the registration page will include information and form to request
invitation letter, should have that registration well in advance of f2f

fjh: good, thanks

### Other Business

none

### Adjourn

## Summary of Action Items

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