# Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

## 26 Sep 2012

[Agenda][3]

See also: [IRC log][4]

## Attendees

Present

    Colin_Courtney, Frederick_Hirsch, Jungkee_Song, Dzung_Tran, Niklas_Widell,
Claes_Nilsson, Alexander_Salas, Cathy_Chan, Giri_Mandyam

Regrets

    Josh_Soref, Milan_Patel

Chair

    Frederick_Hirsch

Scribe

    fjh

## Contents

  * [Topics][5]

    1. [Administrative, announcements][6]

    2. [Minutes approval][7]

    3. [HTML Media Capture Last Call comments][8]

    4. [Pick Contacts Intent][9]

    5. [Discovery API][10]

    6. [TPAC F2F Preparation][11]

    7. [shelving calendar][12]

    8. [Action Review][13]

    9. [Issues][14]

    10. [Pending Actions][15]

    11. [Other Business][16]

    12. [Adjourn][17]

  * [Summary of Action Items][18]

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<trackbot> Date: 26 September 2012

### Administrative, announcements

fjh: Correction to cancellations noted on 12 Sept resolution: 7 Nov and 21 Nov
canceled. Updated upcoming meeting schedule at
[http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html#upcoming-teleconferences][19]

<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh

<gmandyam> Hello from Giri Mandyam (QuIC) - joining from (858) area code

fjh: One agenda addition - shelving calendar

### Minutes approval

Approve 12 Sept 2012 minutes: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
device-apis/2012Sep/att-0090/minutes-2012-09-12.html][20]

Approve 19 Sept 2012 minutes: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
device-apis/2012Sep/att-0096/minutes-2012-09-19.html][21]

**RESOLUTION: Minutes from 12 and 19 Sept 2012 are approved**

### HTML Media Capture Last Call comments

LC-2635 and LC-2636 resolved. See [https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-
tracker/43696/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/doc/][22]

However edit to add reference to clarify "implicit consent" would be helpful:
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0122.html][23]

<scribe> **ACTION:** anssi to add reference to clarify "implicit consent" in
HTML Media Capture, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2012Sep/0122.html][23] [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-
minutes.html#action01][24]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-579 - Add reference to clarify "implicit consent" in
HTML Media Capture, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2012Sep/0122.html][23] [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2012-10-03].

fjh: Continue other comment review on list

### Pick Contacts Intent

Need for search use case discussion - [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0119.html][25]

<Jungkee> [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2012Sep/0124.html][26]

jungkee: bryan provided a use case I did not have

... service provider could provide customized UI based on user name or user id
given by client side

... this is a useful use case

... so we may wish to keep this optional dictionary until we are sure it is
really necessary

gmandyam: not clear from mail chain why there is an objection to search for
contacts ; seems different than pick media

... is everyone convinced that this isn't needed

jungkee: did not have a compelling use case before

fjh: wanted to make it simpler

jungkee: service provider could provide a UI for consistency

gmandyman: not sure why this didn't also apply to pick media

jungkee: pick media and pick contact should be similar

... both are based on WebIntents

... can we extend call for consensus

fjh: yes, of course, will do that

<scribe> **ACTION:** fjh to extend CfC [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html#action02][27]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-580 - Extent CfC [on Frederick Hirsch - due
2012-10-03].

### Discovery API

A new version of the Networking and Service Discovery & Messaging
specification is now available as an ED update,
[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0128.html][28]

fjh: this new version should address cathy's comments, please all review it

cathy: I plan to send out some comments this week or next week

### TPAC F2F Preparation

fjh: Please remember to complete the WG questionnaire for the F2F, useful to
know who is coming, not coming, planning to call in, etc

[https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/][29]

also please complete TPAC registration
[http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration][30]

fjh: need to pay by date registration closes, 16 October, or pay larger walk
in registration fee later

Draft DAP F2F agenda:
[http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France][31]
, please review it

fjh: still in process of confirming start time and end time, break/lunch times
etc

... walking through draft agenda

... there will also be a WebIntents session during WebApps on Tuesday, 15:45 -
17:45,
[http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30][32]

... there will also be a Media TF session, likely on Tuesday afternoon

... expectation is that we will go through HTML Media Capture LC comments, try
to resolve any remaining ones during F2F, prepare to progress to CR

... also expect to review Proximity, Ambient Light Events, Network Information
APIs with view toward LC

... Review status of interop and test cases, Anssi should be back, for
Battery, Vibration with view toward progressing to REC

... afternoon of day 1 on webintents

... day 2 start with pick media intent, pick contacts intent, webintents
addendum, local services, perhaps progress that one to LC

... however, need discussion on how to get test cases and interop on
webintents addendum, local services

... afternoon day 2 Networked Service Discovery and Messaging, ask travis
about discussion needed on media capture and streams

... finally more on interop, next steps, issues and actions

... dom should be there, dave will not be

### shelving calendar

fjh: josh suggested we should shelve calendar, since it is out of date, a
concern

gmandyam: should change shelved documents to Notes for clarity

... should remove IPR language as part of this process

fjh: Note has a standing as a final deliverable but we may not want to publish
as a deliverable

gmandyam: even if replaced, still better to keep in note status

... having a note allows creating a history to avoid making same mistakes
elsewhere

... it is confusing to members if there are drafts that look like they have
IPR concerns

fjh: shelving has no official W3C status, it is a WG construction

**RESOLUTION: agree to shelve Calendar**

<scribe> **ACTION:** fjh to follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes
(possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec
document... [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-
minutes.html#action03][33]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-581 - Follow up on converting shelved documents to
Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised
Rec document... [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-03].

### Action Review

ACTION-568?

<trackbot> ACTION-568 -- Jungkee Song to work with Robin to move darobin to
move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE --
due 2012-08-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/568][34]

jungkee: Robin indicated he is doing this soon, waiting to hear from Robin

fjh: I'm wondering if we want to publish this in conjunction with the FPWD of
"WebIntents Addendum - Local Services", maybe we don't need to do this;
thinking of W3C news items

... probably not worth creating a dependency

jungkee: still need to move to w3c space

fjh: that is a bigger concern

jungkee: will follow up

<scribe> **ACTION:** fjh to follow up regarding DAP action status offline
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html#action04][35]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-582 - Follow up regarding DAP action status offline
[on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-03].

### Issues

fjh: only one

ISSUE-125?

<trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Capabilities API compatibility with web privacy and
security, assuming untrusted, fingerprinting risk -- open

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/125][36]

### Pending Actions

close ACTION-571

<trackbot> ACTION-571 Enter HTML Media LC comment responses into LC tracker
closed

close ACTION-573

<trackbot> ACTION-573 Check with James re implementations of Pick Media and
Pick Contact, plans et closed

close ACTION-576

<trackbot> ACTION-576 Send CfC for removal of search from Pick Contacts closed

close ACTION-577

<trackbot> ACTION-577 Draft text proposal to resolve LC-2644 closed

close ACTION-578

<trackbot> ACTION-578 Propose FPWD publication of "Web Intents Addendum -
Local Services" on TF closed

### Other Business

none noted.

fjh: Please review the F2F agenda and propose any changes, additions etc.
Please try to provide material on the list in advance.

... Please also review the updated "WebIntents Addendum - Local Services"
draft at [http://w3c-test.org/dap/wi-addendum-local-services/][37]

... and also review the updated "Networked Service Discovery and Messaging"
draft see, [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-
api/Overview.html][38]

### Adjourn

## Summary of Action Items

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** anssi to add reference to clarify "implicit consent" in
HTML Media Capture, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-
apis/2012Sep/0122.html][23] [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-
minutes.html#action01][24]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to extend CfC [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html#action02][27]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to follow up on converting shelved documents to
Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised
Rec document... [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-
minutes.html#action03][33]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to follow up regarding DAP action status offline
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-dap-minutes.html#action04][35]]


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