# Device APIs Working Group Teleconference ## 03 Oct 2012 [Agenda][3] See also: [IRC log][4] ## Attendees Present Frederick_Hirsch, Dzung_Tran, Colin_Courtney, Jungkee_Song, Clarke_Stevens, Rich_Tibbett, Alexander_Salas, Niklas_Widell, Cathy_Chan Regrets Josh_Soref Chair Frederick_Hirsch Scribe fjh ## Contents * [Topics][5] 1. [Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements][6] 2. [Minutes approval][7] 3. ["Network Service Discovery" - publish updated WD][8] 4. ["Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD][9] 5. [Pick Contacts Web Intent][10] 6. [Pick Media Intent][11] 7. [TPAC F2F planning][12] 8. [Action review][13] 9. [Other Business][14] 10. [Adjourn][15] * [Summary of Action Items][16] * * * Date: 03 October 2012 ScribeNick: fjh ### Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements fjh: here is the information about publishing moratoria (week of 29 October, 14 Dec - 2 Jan) [https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device- apis/2012May/0000.html][17] ... I've heard that one cannot publish further out from TPAC but could not find a notice on the chairs list ### Minutes approval Approve 26 Sept 2012 minutes: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- device-apis/2012Sep/att-0131/minutes-2012-09-26.html][18] **RESOLUTION: Minutes from 26 Sept 2012 are approved** ### "Network Service Discovery" - publish updated WD [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0004.html][19] fjh: I understand there is a draft ready to publish an updated WD despite ongoing discussion on the list richt: correct, I think we should publish the improvements and continue the discussion on the list fjh: I sent a message to the list asking if there was any concern with deciding on the call to publish, saw no concern raised ... it is a good idea to publish early and often, keep things current and make people aware of the latest work proposed RESOLUTION: The DAP WG agrees to publish an updated WD of "Network Service Discovery", on 4 October 2012, see [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw- file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html][20] fjh: any object or concern with publishing an updated draft? hear no objection **RESOLUTION: The DAP WG agrees to publish an updated WD of "Network Service Discovery", on 4 October 2012, see [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip /discovery-api/WD.html][20]** fjh: Thanks Rich for all your help with this richt: thanks Cathy for the review **ACTION:** fjh to make publication request for Network Service Discovery [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap- minutes.html#action01][21]] Created ACTION-583 - Make publication request for Network Service Discovery [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-10]. nwidell: is the relationship or overlap with Web Intents addendum, a concern richt: there is some difference in approach of the two, different scope, but will need time to clarify the relationship nwidell: ok with specs going foward with different use cases, but do we need a note to clarify the difference richt: need to figure out what to write fjh: perhaps we should clarify on the home page ... these are different levels of the stack, Web Intents at a higher level allows user mediated service inclusion in a web page, network discovery at lower level of local services disccovery ... did I get this right richt: yes ... we probably should avoid confusing things with more text but might want to clarify on the home page richt: it probably makes sense to clarify the deliverables on the DAP home page or on the mailing list further. nwidell: ok fjh: could also clarify on w3 description page however not sure how much this is looked at ... please continue the discussion that is ongoing on the list, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0141.html][22] Network Service Discovery Working Draft has been prepared and uploaded at dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html][20] FYI ### "Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD FPWD publication in progress for 4 October 2012, [https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap /raw-file/523263026147/wi-addendum-local-services/FPWD/FPWD.html][23] member only chairs list - [https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012OctDec/0004.html][24] fjh: publication in progress, should be published tomorrow. ### Pick Contacts Web Intent CfC extended to 22 October - [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- device-apis/2012Oct/0000.html][25] [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0002.html][26] jungkee: wish to discuss this on mailing list, startActivity and filtering capability fjh: it would be good to have list discussion before the F2F so we can resolve at the F2F nwidell: were not extras already removed from Web Intents specification fjh: yes jungkee: the information can be put elsewhere to support the use case junkgee: we will need to figure out what to do if we want to have this use case fjh: we can now cleanly have various JSON key value pairs so should be able to have this information ... you had -1 to CfC since we need to filter not just receive entire contact nwidell: yes, data minimization is important ... at a minimum need some ability to say what is wanted, to avoid always requesting all fjh: please continue this on the list ### Pick Media Intent Demo posted, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0001.html][27] jungkee: this is the demo I showed at the last F2F [http://jungkees.github.com/media-intent/][28] jungkee: put two services in this , flickr and youtube search with keywords ... try it out, demo to help move the spec forward ... "I would like to find some service and content provider who can volunteer to implement better reference services fjh: we need to figure out how to reach out to non-WG members jungkee: need to reach out via Web Intents, maybe Google can help fjh: I note that your message went to the WebIntents list and TF chairs jungkee: want to talk about metadata and service level protocol information ... need to integrate with other services ### TPAC F2F planning Deadline for TPAC registration is end of next week (well, 16 Oct), do not wait until end: [http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration][29] fjh: if you do not register by the deadline the daily fee goes up by a large amount also, please complete WG questionnaire (before Friday this week) [https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/][30] fjh: please complete WG questionnaire if you have not, even if you do not plan to attend or if you plan to dial in Draft agenda (updated) [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France][31] fjh: have updated draft agenda with breaks/lunch. Please review and comment on list if needed, otherwise we will work to this. ... also changed day start/end times so please look at it ### Action review close ACTION-580 ACTION-580 Extend CfC for removing search from Pick Contacts Intent closed ACTION-581? ACTION-581 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... -- due 2012-10-03 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/581][32] fjh: on approach plan to continue current approach, details outlined here: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0006.html][33] ... all working drafts change during development, that is to be expected, but if we set one aside knowing it will change later, we need to be really clear with a note in the document ... we've done that for all but sensors, need to update that one ... also shelved calendar - [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- device-apis/2012Oct/0008.html][34] close ACTION-581 ACTION-581 Follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... closed fjh: I have started following up with people on actions offline but have not completed doing so ACTION-474? ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474][35] fjh: Adrian indeed is working on this, still in progress ACTION-474: Adrian indeed is working on this, still in progress ACTION-474 Make a proposal for Network Information API notes added [http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-api-design-20121002/][36] Web API Design Cookbook has been published close ACTION-568 ACTION-568 Work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE closed ### Other Business fjh: no call next week, next call is 17 October, see schedule [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html][37] ... please review the F2F agenda and think how we can prepare to have a productive F2F. Any materials shared or issues raised on the list in advance would be very helpful. ... Please also continue list discussions on ongoing issues ... thanks ### Adjourn ## Summary of Action Items **[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to make publication request for Network Service Discovery [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap- minutes.html#action01][21]] [End of minutes] * * * Minutes formatted by David Booth's [scribe.perl][38] version 1.135 ([CVS log][39]) $Date: 2009-03-02 03:52:20 $ [1]: http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home [2]: http://www.w3.org/ [3]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0009.html [4]: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap-irc [5]: #agenda [6]: #item01 [7]: #item02 [8]: #item03 [9]: #item04 [10]: #item05 [11]: #item06 [12]: #item07 [13]: #item08 [14]: #item09 [15]: #item10 [16]: #ActionSummary [17]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device- apis/2012May/0000.html [18]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Sep/att-0131/minutes-2012-09-26.html [19]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0004.html [20]: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html [21]: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap-minutes.html#action01 [22]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Sep/0141.html [23]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/523263026147/wi-addendum-local- services/FPWD/FPWD.html [24]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012OctDec/0004.html [25]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0000.html [26]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0002.html [27]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0001.html [28]: http://jungkees.github.com/media-intent/ [29]: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration [30]: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/ [31]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France [32]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/581 [33]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0006.html [34]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Oct/0008.html [35]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474 [36]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-api-design-20121002/ [37]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html [38]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [39]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/