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RE: [sensors] Device Proximity (was: Device light and proximity sensor)

From: Tran, Dzung D <dzung.d.tran@intel.com>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:37:00 +0000
To: Marcos Caceres <w3c@marcosc.com>, Doug Turner <dougt@mozilla.com>
CC: Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>, "public-device-apis@w3.org public-device-apis@w3.org" <public-device-apis@w3.org>
Message-ID: <84BCA539DD96614691177EDA3CE4FF0546B1274D@ORSMSX101.amr.corp.intel.com>
You are leaving it to the OEMs who build the HW device and integrating the OS to determine what is far versus near. Different proximity sensors might have different ranges. You also assuming that the OS will give you this "far" versus "near" value. 

Thanks
Dzung Tran


-----Original Message-----
From: Marcos Caceres [mailto:w3c@marcosc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:30 PM
To: Doug Turner
Cc: Robin Berjon; public-device-apis@w3.org public-device-apis@w3.org
Subject: Re: [sensors] Device Proximity (was: Device light and proximity sensor)




On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Doug Turner wrote:

>  
> On May 9, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Robin Berjon wrote:
>  
> > On May 9, 2012, at 14:16 , Marcos Caceres wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Tran, Dzung D wrote:
> > > > > So, what I agreed with jonas about was a new event that only fired when there was a transition between near and far. device proximity for something that was more advanced. <insert this new event name here> for something really simple.  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > What I am afraid of is that browsers going to interpret far versus near differently on the same device. I rather to give the control to the programmer to interpret base on value, min, max.
> > >  
> > > I'm afraid of the opposite thing. I more trust the people that are closer to the os (or directly interfacing with the hardware) to handle that.  
> >  
> > The OS knows the sensor's calibration best — it ought to be able to give you near/far events directly. That's how things work on iOS where you get a proximityState boolean when something is close to the device. Android does it more like Doug's proposal.
> >  
> > If the use case is just detecting proximity then I prefer the iOS approach — the OS will know better, and the developer doesn't need to know more. If we're trying to do a generic distance sensor then we're missing at least a field to indicate multiple sensors triggering (which is not common on phones, but I believe is the norm on cars — yes, we have to get used to thinking about those too I'm afraid :).
> >  
> > I'm not convinced that we should try to merge the two use cases into a single approach.
>  
> So lets just create a new dom event as I suggested. Near and far are defined by the UA. Thoughts?  

I would be in support of that.  

I just thought that you might also need a way of checking if the phone is not already "in proximity" to something (e.g., through an attribute on the navigator object or something).  

if(!navigator.<name for in proximity>){
    //set the event listeners
}
userIsNear();  



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Marcos Caceres




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