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<trackbot> Date: 14 December 2011
<fjh> trackbot, start telecon
<trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 14 December 2011
<scribe> Scribe: Josh_Soref
RESOLUTION: Cancel Dec 28 Call
<fjh> HTML Speech Incubator Group completes, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Dec/0035.html
<fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/att-0263/minutes-2011-11-30.html
RESOLUTION: Minutes of 30 November 2011 Meeting are Approved
<fjh> Date and location confirmation
<fjh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Dec/0000.html (Dom)
<fjh> Week of 19 March (Tue - Thur ?)
<fjh> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/results
<fjh> Shenzhen (adjacent to Hong Kong), Beijing offers...
fjh: We need to nail this down
... people need to get approvals and visas
Deepanshu: I don't think it would be troublesome to get to Shenzhen
... you can take a Ferry from Hong Kong there
fjh: so basically you fly in to HK and then Ferry
... Can we decide on the dates first?
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about who would be hosting in Beijing
fjh: Mar 20-22
<darobin> [and we have an offer from LG in Seoul as well, right?]
RESOLUTION: F2F will be March 20-22
dom: did we have an offer for Beijing?
fjh: it came privately, not on the list
<darobin> I'm Jing Wu from Chinaunicom.
<darobin> Chinaunicom is very glad to host the F2F meeting in March next year in Beijing.
dom: I think knowing the Week and the Country
... should be sufficient for Josh_Soref's needs
fjh: it seems that we'd want to confirm that the host is able to provide Internet and similar
Deepanshu: because this would be our first time hosting
... we'd want to know how many attendees (roughly)
... we would provide internet of course
... but for other logistics, we need that estimate
fjh: dom, do we need a questionnaire for participant count?
darobin: Deepanshu, when do you need the count by?
Deepanshu: we'd need it by Mid Jan
<dom> (DAP meetings have been in the range of 15 to 40 participants)
darobin: once we decide, we can put up a registration poll
Deepanshu: at latest by the end of January
fjh: I'd favor deciding now
darobin: me too
fjh: I think we should decide now, and on Shenzhen
<darobin> +1 to Shenzhen
fjh: although I don't know anything about it
<Clarke> +1
<Cathy> +1 to Shenzhen
dsr: I agree, do we have confirmation about hosts in Shenzhen ?
darobin: yes
dsr: then I'd favor deciding now
fjh: Objections?
[ None ]
RESOLUTION: March F2F will be in Shenzhen
[ At Huawei ]
<Deepanshu> Huawei Technologies.
<Deepanshu> We are headquartered in Shenzhen
fjh: Deepanshu if you could send out about logistics, that would be good
Deepanshu: I can send out about Travel+Ferry but not Hotel as we haven't decided yet
fjh: regarding participation, I think we need a questionnaire
Deepanshu: I think most attendees will need visas
... so most will need invitation letters
darobin: yes
Deepanshu: I'm not sure about the internal process for getting invitation letters
... it may be possible due to the internal details, that we'll need to know who needs invitation letters
fjh: I think the last time I was in China, we just needed a generic letter
dsr: we may have a generic letter with a block list of names
Deepanshu: I'll get back on the list what information we need for each person
... we can provide any letters people ask for
fjh: can we do a swag for number of attendees?
Josh_Soref: didn't the WBS give you numbers?
fjh: that would do the trick
dom: regarding participants, the ballpark is 15..40
... the last time we met in Asia (Seoul), we had the lowest, which was 15
... but there were bad travel conditions then
<darobin> [there were 18 responders for the week of 19th, but I would expect more]
darobin: specifically Fukushima
... which resulted in cancellations
fjh: Deepanshu, where does this leave you with planning?
Deepanshu: I'm just wondering about invitation letters?
... I'm not sure if the time would be enough
... if we get the information by the end of January
fjh: that might make it hard to turn around the passports
Deepanshu: we should be providing invitation letters ASAP
dom: I'd suggest Deepanshu get back to us with what he needs, time, etc.
Deepanshu: I'll get back on the list with that
dom: once we have that, we can adjust the deadline for registration
... we can ask people to send that information as soon as they know that they are coming
... people who don't know if they are coming should go through the process
<Deepanshu> it will not be possible for us to host in Hong Kong
fjh: I'm not sure about how transiting through Hong Kong works
darobin: Hong Kong has a visa exception for Transit or under 3 months
<Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to ask if we can invite all WG members
Deepanshu: we need passport numbers, expiry date, date of issue, date of birth, place of birth, place of issue
... I'm not sure about the specifics, but it seems to have specific things
... I'll get back on the list as soon as I know
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to reply to China Unicom and LG about hosting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-495 - Reply to China Unicom and LG about hosting [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-12-21].
fjh: AnssiK, it looks like there's discussion on both lists
AnssiK: seems to be publication, a couple of LC comments
<AnssiK> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/system-info/battery-status.html
AnssiK: I've been updating the ED based on them
... you can review the commit logs
... I don't think there's much need to review the changes on the call
... we got good feedback and have resolved a couple of bugs
<fjh> Last Call period ends 20 December 2011
AnssiK: I think we're ready to move forward
... I'll be away for most of Jan
... if you want me to do something during Jan, that may be challenging
... Josh_Soref could edit the spec
... if you need to do edits in my absence, I trust you
... any changes at this point would be typos
... you (collectively) are free to make whatever (minor) changes it takes
<fjh> need to update last call log
AnssiK: please work with the implementers
<darobin> +1 to shipping stuff
AnssiK: so we can ship something from this WG
fjh: will you be at the F2F?
AnssiK: most likely not
fjh: thanks. we'll play it by ear.
<fjh> Media Stream Capture Scenarios , ACTION-461 (Travis)
<fjh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream-capture/scenarios.html
<Zakim> richt, you wanted to discuss media capture
darobin: preferably send feedback to the TF
richt: I'm still a bit unhappy with the split of that work
... I'd like to see MediaStream come from WebRTC also
... that might be due to the charter
darobin: I think for the split stuff
... it's about convincing the WebRTC people
... if we come up w/ a unified stream proposal that they like
richt: it's about coming up with a toolchain
... I started a discussion, but I didn't get any responses
darobin: I think it would be a good idea to chat w/ Travis to get an aligned proposal
... sometimes people are silent on the list because they agree
richt: I'll talk with Travis, I think we're aligned
<dom> [I think there will be also needs to get stuff done for visas]
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest making a concrete Web IDL proposal
<darobin> +1 on concrete
dom: I think having a concrete Web IDL proposal on how the split would work would help moving forward
... richt will you be making a concrete proposal?
richt: it's not that difficult
... I'm not editing the document, which makes things a bit of a pain
darobin: the document is on GitHub, so you can fork and make pull requests
<fjh> Task force highlights
<fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2011Dec/
darobin: I don't think there's a lot we can talk about here as it's supposed to be done in the TF
fjh: right, but I'm not sure how to handle TFs yet
<fjh> Web and TV IG has just published his first group note document:
<fjh> "Requirements for Home Networking Scenarios".
<fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-hnreq-20111201/
<fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Dec/0034.html
<fjh> 5b) Task force highlights
<fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Dec/
fjh: I think we need to do more work on the list for intents
... I don't think there's anything to discuss on it
darobin: for Intents, I think we have to figure out IPR stuff
... and get a draft out
fjh: who's doing this?
darobin: we just talked about this w/ dsr before the call
Claes: a question about the next F2F and Intents
... are there any plans to have any joint Intents F2F in concert w/ the DAP F2F?
darobin: the question of discussing Intents at the F2F depends on whether the Intents people attend the F2F
fjh: I think it's important to talk about it, so we should have an Agenda item
<darobin> ACTION: Robin to figure out if the Intents TF wants to meet as part of DAP F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-496 - Figure out if the Intents TF wants to meet as part of DAP F2F [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-12-21].
<bryan> I would prefer that all task forces are represented at the F2F and there is specific discussion.
Claes: darobin / fjh, could you discuss this with the TF leader?
fjh: I think that's important, thank you Claes
darobin: I will
<bryan> Otherwise there is less reason to travel.
<darobin> [I have emailed James to coordinate on Intents participation]
fjh: in general, we should figure out our Agenda for the F2F fairly soon
fjh: I'd suggest not to have a call next week
RESOLUTION: No call next week, 21 December 2011
<darobin> merry christmas! happy new year!
<fjh> +1 robin
fjh: have a happy new year
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