[![W3C][1]][2] # Device APIs Working Group Teleconference ## 01 Feb 2012 See also: [IRC log][3] ## Attendees Present Anssi_Kostiainen, Claes, Clarke, Dsr, Frederick_Hirsch, GlennAdams, Josh_Soref, Sakari_Poussa, bryan, darobin Regrets Frederick Chair Robin Scribe Josh_Soref ## Contents * [Topics][4] 1. [Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements][5] 2. [Minutes Approval][6] 3. [March F2F Meeting][7] 4. [Vibration][8] 5. [Closing the Device Status TF][9] 6. [Network Information API][10] 7. [Testing][11] 8. [AOB][12] * [Summary of Action Items][13] * * * Date: 01 February 2012 ### Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements Scribe: Josh_Soref ### Minutes Approval proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 January 2012 are approved. **RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 January 2012 are approved.** ### March F2F Meeting darobin: questions? ... please make sure you've registered yourself Note that going back and forth to hong kong is not recommended darobin: I don't think we have a WBS for the actual meeting ... we should probably set one up ... dsr, is that something you could take care of? At this point the meeting dates are fixed dsr: yes, I can set that up ... i should also ask the hosts for their list **ACTION:** dsr to set up registration WBS for March f2f [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action01][14]] Created ACTION-500 - Set up registration WBS for March f2f [on Dave Raggett - due 2012-02-08]. dsr: i'll take an action item might want to ask who plans to dial in voice and/or video announce WBS to task forces as well... [ fjh's note is to dsr for the WBS ] darobin: as fjh notes, we also need to send it to the Intents TF people ... so they can register ### Vibration darobin: We had a few comments, but I don't think they invalidated the CfC proposed RESOLUTION: Move Vibration to LC AnssiK: we had one comment [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Feb/0001.html][15] AnssiK: i'm not sure if it was before/after the CfC ... I replied to jlebar ... he had suggested dropping `optional` ... and removing the obsolete mozilla related items darobin: Any objections to moving Vibration to LC? [ None ] **ACTION:** Robin to publish Vibration LC [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action02][16]] Created ACTION-501 - Publish Vibration LC [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-02-08]. **RESOLUTION: Move Vibration to LC** darobin: Anything else on Vibration? [ None ] ### Closing the Device Status TF darobin: as you know, Mozilla has joined the Group ... welcome Mozilla ... since they were the reason we had a TF ... there doesn't seem to be a reason to retain the TF welcome to Mozilla, +1 to closing the Device Status TF proposed RESOLUTION: Merge TF back into group +1 darobin: it seems like a good idea to fold it back into the group ... the group + tf lists aren't high traffic, so there's no big need to keep them distinct/ ... I don't know how the actual process of closing the TF is ... dsr ? ... maybe we just let it die and figure it out later? **ACTION:** Robin to figure out if anything is needed to close the DSTF; announce to the TF itself [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01 -dap-minutes.html#action03][17]] Created ACTION-502 - Figure out if anything is needed to close the DSTF; announce to the TF itself [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-02-08]. perhaps send a tombstone message to the TF ML to make sure people looking at the archives understand what happened? darobin: Anything else on the TF? +1, announce work is now being done in main WG on public mailing list of DAP WG Josh_Soref: welcome Mozilla to WG :) ### Network Information API darobin: this Agenda item was initially empty ... but mounir submitted a draft yesterday evening [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/84a2fb7b753b/network- api/index.html][18] [http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/network-api/index.html][19] darobin: I sent feedback ... i encourage everyone else who is interested to send feedback Josh_Soref: I need to read it and send feedback darobin: I'd like to publish a heartbeat ... perhaps next week +1 on publishing a heartbeat darobin: since mounir isn't on the call, i'll prod him to see what he thinks ... if you have any feedback, it'd be good to provide it sooner rather than later are we able to add a disclaimer to the netinfo on /TR that it's being obsoleted? darobin: Anything else? ... we probably don't need to as this one will replace this one ... as this one should have the same short name ... the previous one was in CVS, the new one is in Hg ... I think we're pretty safe +1 on publishing heartbeat, with clear sotd section about change that'd be great, I thing we should re-ignite the discussion on shelving docs ### Testing darobin: I started pushing tests for Vibration ... not necessarily very good ... and certainly not complete ... but the idea was to work on the template [http://w3c-test.org/framework/docs/maintainer/][20] darobin: i wanted to draw your attn to the way in which they're organized [http://w3c-test.org/framework/][21] darobin: W3C is working on a framework ... people can easily see the results of the tests ... and people can enter data directly ... right now we don't have a way to manage submissions ... we have approved/, submissions/ the same way that webapps does ... there's a tool being developed to organize (manage) the process ... if you're interested in the testing side, i recommend you look at this ... feedback welcome public-test-infra darobin: there's a thread on the testing infra list [http://www.w3.org/mid/CAA2gsfoAmYWLC60p7DOyo1D-NB0SUQLcjpxff- 7K1zK4eHXe7Q@mail.gmail.com][22] darobin: essentially it documents the practices of developing tests ... in a common manner ... so all groups do things the same way ... and so that tests integrate with the tooling ... i encourage everyone to pay attn to this ... bryan is working on it bryan: the email I sent ... I agreed to bring together documentation practices ... marcos had done this thing of integrating test assertions into spec markup ... looking back at what the QA WG did ... i'm trying to look back ... for the DAP specs ... we want to look and see what works for people ... etc. darobin: for DAP specs, we haven't marked up testable asserts/etc ... as you document these things ... it'd probably be helpful if you suggested the approach that makes the most sense ... the most frequently used/... ### AOB AnssiK, you wanted to ask about shelving docs darobin: I'll talk to mounir on irc afterwards AnssiK: a couple of months ago we almost reached a consensus about shelving ... last i checked they didn't have a disclaimer ... did this get stuck? darobin: you're probably right ... the problem with it is that instead of doing my action items ... i've been doing yours (vibration) AnssiK: is it ok if i do the shelving? darobin: that'd be wonderful Josh_Soref: i was probably supposed to give suggestions on the template text bryan: look at the webapps-WebSQL darobin: don't steal it completely ... we wanted to flag documents as ... things that when we do them would probably have a different design ... it isn't that we're giving up on the area, just the design ... just do something ... people can give comments after you do it AnssiK: it's good to clear up things under w3.org to indicate they aren't "official do this" darobin: AO[O]B? [ None ] [ Adjourn ] trackbot, end meeting ## Summary of Action Items **[NEW]** **ACTION:** dsr to set up registration WBS for March f2f [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action01][14]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to figure out if anything is needed to close the DSTF; announce to the TF itself [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01 -dap-minutes.html#action03][17]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to publish Vibration LC [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action02][16]] [End of minutes] * * * Minutes formatted by David Booth's [scribe.perl][23] version 1.135 ([CVS log][24]) $Date: 2009-03-02 03:52:20 $ [1]: http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home [2]: http://www.w3.org/ [3]: http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-irc [4]: #agenda [5]: #item01 [6]: #item02 [7]: #item03 [8]: #item04 [9]: #item05 [10]: #item06 [11]: #item07 [12]: #item08 [13]: #ActionSummary [14]: http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action01 [15]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2012Feb/0001.html [16]: http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action02 [17]: http://www.w3.org/2012/02/01-dap-minutes.html#action03 [18]: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/84a2fb7b753b/network- api/index.html [19]: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/network-api/index.html [20]: http://w3c-test.org/framework/docs/maintainer/ [21]: http://w3c-test.org/framework/ [22]: http://www.w3.org/mid/CAA2gsfoAmYWLC60p7DOyo1D-NB0SUQLcjpxff- 7K1zK4eHXe7Q@mail.gmail.com [23]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [24]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/