[![W3C][1]][2] # Device APIs Working Group Teleconference ## 14 Dec 2011 [Agenda][3] See also: [IRC log][4] ## Attendees Present Anssi_Kostiainen, Bryan_Sullivan, Cathy_Chan, Claes_Nilsson, Clarke_Stevens, Deepanshu_Gautam, Dsr, Dzung_Tran, Ernesto_Jimenez, Frederick_Hirsch, Glenn_Adams, Josh_Soref, Nigil, Pieter, Rich_Tibbett, Robin_Berjon, Russell_Berkoff(Samsung), dom Regrets Niklas_Widell Chair Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch Scribe Josh_Soref ## Contents * [Topics][5] 1. [Administrative][6] 2. [Minutes Approval][7] 3. [March F2F][8] 4. [Battery][9] 5. [Media Capture][10] 6. [Web Intents][11] 7. [AoB][12] 8. [Closing][13] * [Summary of Action Items][14] * * * Date: 14 December 2011 trackbot, start telecon Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference Date: 14 December 2011 Scribe: Josh_Soref ### Administrative **RESOLUTION: Cancel Dec 28 Call** HTML Speech Incubator Group completes, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Dec/0035.html][15] ### Minutes Approval [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2011Nov/att-0263/minutes-2011-11-30.html][16] **RESOLUTION: Minutes of Dec 7 Meeting are Approved** ### March F2F Date and location confirmation [https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device- apis/2011Dec/0000.html][17] (Dom) Week of 19 March (Tue - Thur ?) [https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/results][18] Shenzhen (adjacent to Hong Kong), Beijing offers... fjh: We need to nail this down ... people need to get approvals and visas Deepanshu: I don't think it would be troublesome to get to Shenzhen ... you can take a Ferry from Hong Kong there fjh: so basically you fly in to HK and then Ferry ... Can we decide on the dates first? dom, you wanted to ask about who would be hosting in Beijing fjh: Mar 20-22 [and we have an offer from LG in Seoul as well, right?] **RESOLUTION: F2F will be March 20-22** dom: did we have an offer for Beijing? fjh: it came privately, not on the list I'm Jing Wu from Chinaunicom. Chinaunicom is very glad to host the F2F meeting in March next year in Beijing. dom: I think knowing the Week and the Country ... should be sufficient for Josh_Soref's needs fjh: it seems that we'd want to confirm that the host is able to provide Internet and similar Deepanshu: because this would be our first time hosting ... we'd want to know how many attendees (roughly) ... we would provide internet of course ... but for other logistics, we need that estimate fjh: dom, do we need a questionnaire for participant count? darobin: Deepanshu, when do you need the count by? Deepanshu: we'd need it by Mid Jan (DAP meetings have been in the range of 15 to 40 participants) darobin: once we decide, we can put up a registration poll Deepanshu: at latest by the end of January fjh: I'd favor deciding now darobin: me too fjh: I think we should decide now, and on Shenzhen +1 to Shenzhen fjh: although I don't know anything about it +1 +1 to Shenzhen dsr: I agree, do we have confirmation about hosts in Shenzhen ? darobin: yes dsr: then I'd favor deciding now fjh: Objections? [ None ] **RESOLUTION: March F2F will be in Shenzhen** [ At Huawei ] Huawei Technologies. We are headquartered in Shenzhen fjh: Deepanshu if you could send out about logistics, that would be good Deepanshu: I can send out about Travel+Ferry but not Hotel as we haven't decided yet fjh: regarding participation, I think we need a questionnaire Deepanshu: I think most attendees will need visas ... so most will need invitation letters darobin: yes Deepanshu: I'm not sure about the internal process for getting invitation letters ... it may be possible due to the internal details, that we'll need to know who needs invitation letters fjh: I think the last time I was in China, we just needed a generic letter dsr: we may have a generic letter with a block list of names Deepanshu: I'll get back on the list what information we need for each person ... we can provide any letters people ask for fjh: can we do a swag for number of attendees? Josh_Soref: didn't the WBS give you numbers? fjh: that would do the trick dom: regarding participants, the ballpark is 15..40 ... the last time we met in Asia (Seoul), we had the lowest, which was 15 ... but there were bad travel conditions then [there were 18 responders for the week of 19th, but I would expect more] darobin: specifically Fukushima ... which resulted in cancellations fjh: Deepanshu, where does this leave you with planning? Deepanshu: I'm just wondering about invitation letters? ... I'm not sure if the time would be enough ... if we get the information by the end of January fjh: that might make it hard to turn around the passports Deepanshu: we should be providing invitation letters ASAP dom: I'd suggest Deepanshu get back to us with what he needs, time, etc. Deepanshu: I'll get back on the list with that dom: once we have that, we can adjust the deadline for registration ... we can ask people to send that information as soon as they know that they are coming ... people who don't know if they are coming should go through the process it will not be possible for us to host in Hong Kong fjh: I'm not sure about how transiting through Hong Kong works darobin: Hong Kong has a visa exception for Transit or under 3 months Josh_Soref, you wanted to ask if we can invite all WG members Deepanshu: we need passport numbers, expiry date, date of issue, date of birth, place of birth, place of issue ... I'm not sure about the specifics, but it seems to have specific things ... I'll get back on the list as soon as I know ### Battery **ACTION:** Robin to reply to China Unicom and LG about hosting [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-minutes.html#action01][19]] Created ACTION-495 - Reply to China Unicom and LG about hosting [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-12-21]. fjh: AnssiK, it looks like there's discussion on both lists AnssiK: seems to be publication, a couple of LC comments [http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/system-info/battery- status.html][20] AnssiK: I've been updating the ED based on them ... you can review the commit logs ... I don't think there's much need to review the changes on the call ... we got good feedback and have resolved a couple of bugs Last Call period ends 20 December 2011 AnssiK: I think we're ready to move forward ... I'll be away for most of Jan ... if you want me to do something during Jan, that may be challenging ... Josh_Soref could edit the spec ... if you need to do edits in my absence, I trust you ... any changes at this point would be typos ... you (collectively) are free to make whatever (minor) changes it takes need to update last call log AnssiK: please work with the implementers +1 to shipping stuff AnssiK: so we can ship something from this WG fjh: will you be at the F2F? AnssiK: most likely not fjh: thanks. we'll play it by ear. ### Media Capture Media Stream Capture Scenarios , ACTION-461 (Travis) [https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream- capture/scenarios.html][21] richt, you wanted to discuss media capture darobin: preferably send feedback to the TF richt: I'm still a bit unhappy with the split of that work ... I'd like to see MediaStream come from WebRTC also ... that might be due to the charter darobin: I think for the split stuff ... it's about convincing the WebRTC people ... if we come up w/ a unified stream proposal that they like richt: it's about coming up with a toolchain ... I started a discussion, but I didn't get any responses darobin: I think it would be a good idea to chat w/ Travis to get an aligned proposal ... sometimes people are silent on the list because they agree richt: I'll talk with Travis, I think we're aligned [I think there will be also needs to get stuff done for visas] dom, you wanted to suggest making a concrete Web IDL proposal +1 on concrete dom: I think having a concrete Web IDL proposal on how the split would work would help moving forward ... richt will you be making a concrete proposal? richt: it's not that difficult ... I'm not editing the document, which makes things a bit of a pain darobin: the document is on GitHub, so you can fork and make pull requests Task force highlights [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2011Dec/][22] darobin: I don't think there's a lot we can talk about here as it's supposed to be done in the TF fjh: right, but I'm not sure how to handle TFs yet ### Web Intents Web and TV IG has just published his first group note document: "Requirements for Home Networking Scenarios". [http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-hnreq-20111201/][23] [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2011Dec/0034.html][24] 5b) Task force highlights [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Dec/][25] fjh: I think we need to do more work on the list for intents ... I don't think there's anything to discuss on it darobin: for Intents, I think we have to figure out IPR stuff ... and get a draft out fjh: who's doing this? darobin: we just talked about this w/ dsr before the call Claes: a question about the next F2F and Intents ... are there any plans to have any joint Intents F2F in concert w/ the DAP F2F? darobin: the question of discussing Intents at the F2F depends on whether the Intents people attend the F2F fjh: I think it's important to talk about it, so we should have an Agenda item **ACTION:** Robin to figure out if the Intents TF wants to meet as part of DAP F2F [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap- minutes.html#action02][26]] Created ACTION-496 - Figure out if the Intents TF wants to meet as part of DAP F2F [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-12-21]. I would prefer that all task forces are represented at the F2F and there is specific discussion. Claes: darobin / fjh, could you discuss this with the TF leader? fjh: I think that's important, thank you Claes darobin: I will Otherwise there is less reason to travel. [I have emailed James to coordinate on Intents participation] fjh: in general, we should figure out our Agenda for the F2F fairly soon ### AoB fjh: I'd suggest not to have a call next week **RESOLUTION: No call next week** ### Closing merry christmas! happy new year! +1 robin fjh: have a happy new year [ bye ] ## Summary of Action Items **[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to figure out if the Intents TF wants to meet as part of DAP F2F [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap- minutes.html#action02][26]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to reply to China Unicom and LG about hosting [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-minutes.html#action01][19]] [End of minutes] * * * Minutes formatted by David Booth's [scribe.perl][27] version 1.135 ([CVS log][28]) $Date: 2009-03-02 03:52:20 $ [1]: http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home [2]: http://www.w3.org/ [3]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2011Dec/0036.html [4]: http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-irc [5]: #agenda [6]: #item01 [7]: #item02 [8]: #item03 [9]: #item04 [10]: #item05 [11]: #item06 [12]: #item07 [13]: #item08 [14]: #ActionSummary [15]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2011Dec/0035.html [16]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2011Nov/att-0263/minutes-2011-11-30.html [17]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device- apis/2011Dec/0000.html [18]: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/results [19]: http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-minutes.html#action01 [20]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/system-info/battery-status.html [21]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream- capture/scenarios.html [22]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2011Dec/ [23]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-hnreq-20111201/ [24]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2011Dec/0034.html [25]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Dec/ [26]: http://www.w3.org/2011/12/14-dap-minutes.html#action02 [27]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [28]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/