# Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference

## 09 Jun 2010

[Agenda][3]

See also: [IRC log][4]

## Attendees

Present

    Alissa_Cooper, John_Morris, James_Salsman, Robin_Berjon, Dominique_Hazael-
Massieux, Wojciech_maslowski, enewland, Claes_Nilsson, Richard_Tibbett,
LauraA, Suresh_Chitturi, David_Rogers, Maria_Oteo, bryan_sullivan,
Daniel_Coloma

Regrets

    Frederick_Hirsch

Chair

    Robin_Berjon

Scribe

    Laura

## Contents

  * [Topics][5]

    1. [announcements][6]

    2. [minutes' approval][7]

    3. [policy][8]

    4. [Privacy][9]

    5. [APIs, SysInfo][10]

    6. [Contacts][11]

  * [Summary of Action Items][12]

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<trackbot> Date: 09 June 2010

<jsalsman> +1.650.335... is jsalsman

<darobin> Scribe: Laura

<darobin> Scribenick: LauraA

### announcements

<darobin> [registration][13]

<dom> ack

<dom> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/LondonF2F2010][14]

darobin: reminder to register for the July F2F in London

dom: added list of hotels into the wiki page

<darobin> [last week's minutes][15]

### minutes' approval

darobin: minutes approved

### policy

darobin: proposal to public Policy Framework doc

... request publication on the 24th

... any opinions about 1st public working draft of policy framework?

<darobin> LauraA: sent an email with last changes right before call

<darobin> ... suggest people look at it

<dom> [Editors draft of Policy Framework document][16]

<darobin> .... it will change a bit, but minor changes -- overall well defined

<darobin> ... I think it's okay

**RESOLUTION: CfC for Framework OK**

darobin: objection to start call for consensus for framework doc?

<darobin> **ACTION:** Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01][17]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Issue CfC for Framework [on Robin Berjon - due
2010-06-16].

darobin: no objections

... XACML profile ready for 1 public WD?

Suresh: any IPR analysis has been done?

darobin: no idea, frederick might know

Suresh: maybe someone from the staff could do this analysis?

drogersuk: you can go to the OASIS website for information

<dom> [XACML TC][18]

darobin: frederick involved in OASIS, he might be the right person to ask

<darobin> **ACTION:** frederick to investigate IP status for XACML [recorded
in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02][19]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - Investigate IP status for XACML [on Frederick
Hirsch - due 2010-06-16].

<dom> [This TC operates under the RF on Limited Terms Mode of the OASIS IPR
Policy][20]

darobin: do we want to block on this?

<dom> (it's normative)

Suresh: need to check if references to XACML are normative of informative

darobin: agree, that can be an issue

<scribe> ... pending resolution for the XACML profile doc

**RESOLUTION: issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some potential IP
issues to investigate**

<Suresh> Would prefer to resolve it sooner than later

<darobin> **ACTION:** Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some
potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09
-dap-minutes.html#action03][21]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are
some potential IP issues to investigate [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].

darobin: third doc Examples document

... it is not very normative, should we make it REC track?

<dom> [XACML Profile draft][22]

<dom> [DAP WG home page][23]

dom: suggests making it a non-normative recommendation

<dom> [Policy Examples][24]

[http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/Examples.html][24]

**RESOLUTION: issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative**

darobin: are we Ok with the CfC for the examples doc, but non-normative?

<darobin> **ACTION:** Robin to issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04][25]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative
[on Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].

<darobin> [Frederick on policy reqs reorg][26]

<dom> [Proposed rework of policy requirements][27]

darobin: e-mail from Frederick about policy reqs, suggesting reorganisation

... any opinions on this proposal? anyone read it?

<jsalsman> I read it. I'm confused about what a prompt is

dom: suggest moving it to CVS

<dom> ISSUE-28?

<trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Requirement for NO security prompting -- pending review

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28][28]

jsalsman: conflicting position papers in the action item number 28, issue 28

... 3 different position docs: 2 in agreement, 1 against

<jsalsman> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28][28]

darobin: not sure about the impact on this doc

jsalsman: ambiguity about what it is a prompt

... saying we want to eliminate prompts may not be the right thing (both modal
and non-modal, they are both promtps)

darobin: the idea is to avoid prompts as far as possible

bryan_sullivan: intent to minimise prompt

... policy can be defined to provide choice in the level of prompting

... goal is not to eliminate prompts entirely, that's not possible

alissa: we might need to clarify what we understand under prompt, modal prompt
etc.

<drogersuk> +1

alissa: having a definition might be helpful

drogersuk: since we've separated the docs, we need to address that so that one
can not take the APIs separately without taking into account the policy bit

darobin: who wrote the piece about convinience or not of prompt?

drogersuk: probably bondi

darobin: need a person to assign this action to

<darobin> **ACTION:** Laura to propose clarification language around
prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05][29]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Propose clarification language around
prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [on Laura Arribas - due
2010-06-16].

darobin: back to previous topic, should we give an action to frederick to put
reqs doc into CVS?

dom: I'll do it

darobin: CfC for reqs doc?

**RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs**

... no objections

<darobin> **ACTION:** Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06][30]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [on Robin Berjon -
due 2010-06-16].

darobin: anything else about policy?

... nothing.

### Privacy

darobin: more docs to publish

... reqs doc and rule set doc

<dom> +1 on waiting for ruleset

alissa: for the W3C privacy doc submitted rule set doc as position paper

... might be worth waiting after the W3C privacy workshop

darobin: anyone objects to waiting?

... agreed not to publish the privacy ruleset yet

Suresh: about the ruleset doc, is it API independent like policy or linked to
APIs?

alissa: not handled yet how APIs deal with rulesets

<dom> ACTION-106?

<trackbot> ACTION-106 -- Robin Berjon to address how licenses could be handled
by the API's -- due 2010-03-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/106][31]

alissa: there are ideas but nothing documented yet

<dom> Alissa: thus far we haven't settled on how rulesets will intersect with
the existing APIs

**RESOLUTION: Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements**

<darobin> **ACTION:** Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07][32]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements [on
Robin Berjon - due 2010-06-16].

### APIs, SysInfo

<darobin> Robin: split core and extended?

<darobin> alissa: prefer to split

<jmorris> +1

<darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: split operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc to a
separate, extended specification

<dom> a+

<jmorris> And SSID and Mac address are dropped, right?

<jsalsman> this is for [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/][33] right?

<darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from SysInfo,
revisit an Extended spec later

<Suresh> +1

**RESOLUTION: drop operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc from SysInfo, revisit an
Extended spec later**

<dom> ACTION-183?

<trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Dzung Tran to drop connections[] and
activeConnection, move to activeConnections[] and define clearly what "active"
means -- due 2010-06-09 -- OPEN

<trackbot> [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/183][34]

<Zakim> dom, you wanted to note codecs

darobin: any objections to CfC?

<jsalsman> [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#audio-and-video-
codecs][35]

<dom> ISSUE-85 was raised for the capture API

jsalsman: see some issues with this section, could be developed a bit more

darobin: james, could you review SysInfo and share it in the list?

jsalsman: sure

<dom> **ACTION:** James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo [recorded
in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08][36]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo [on
James Salsman - due 2010-06-16].

<darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after ACTION-191
and subsequent edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc have been
dropped

**RESOLUTION: issue a CfC of SysInfo for LC after ACTION-191 and subsequent
edits, ACTION-183, and operatorName, apn, mcc, mnc have been dropped**

### Contacts

<dom> [Contacts API updates][37]

darobin: richard sent an e-mail, he made quite a few changes based on feedback
received before

<dom> +1 on heartbeat publication

darobin: anyone objects to hearbeat publication for this API?

... no objections

<darobin> RESOLUTION: publish a heartbeat of Contacts

<darobin> **ACTION:** robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09][38]]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - Request publication of Contacts [on Robin
Berjon - due 2010-06-16].

<darobin> richt, you missed the discussion!

<darobin> richt, anything you want to say before we move on?

<richt> sorry I'm having serious issues with phone and wifi today :-(

richt: sorry missed Contacts discussion

darobin: dom just asked about plans to move into LC

... given current status of spec, and feedback received we could move to LC
during the July F2F

richt: I made some updates from the received feedback. there are a few
questions that still need answering

<Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask about LC goals

richt: i'll be creating a new document before next week's call

... I would like to wait until the next version of the spec

... still need more feedback

... would like to produce a larger set of properties

<jmorris> +1 on waiting for feedback on larger set of properties

darobin: agree, if you have updates coming, it makes sense to wait

<dom> (this relates to ISSUE-71 I think)

darobin: objections on waiting for publication?

... no objections in the call

... other issues to be discussed in the mailing list

<darobin> RESOLUTION: overturn previous resolution to publish contacts, wait
for next update

darobin: end of the agenda

... AOB?

thanks and good bye

<darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes

## Summary of Action Items

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** frederick to investigate IP status for XACML [recorded
in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action02][19]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** James to send pre-LC editorial comments on sysinfo
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action08][36]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Laura to propose clarification language around
prompting, involving Paddy and James as needed [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action05][29]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to Issue a CfC for Policy Reqs [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action06][30]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to Issue a CfC for the Privacy Requirements
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action07][32]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to issue CfC for Examples, rectrack/non-normative
[recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action04][25]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to issue CfC for Framework [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action01][17]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** Robin to issue CfC for XACML, noting that there are some
potential IP issues to investigate [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09
-dap-minutes.html#action03][21]]

**[NEW]** **ACTION:** robin to request publication of Contacts [recorded in
[http://www.w3.org/2010/06/09-dap-minutes.html#action09][38]]


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