# Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference ## 04 Aug 2010 [Agenda][3] See also: [IRC log][4] ## Attendees Present Frederick_Hirsch, Dzung_Tran, Suresh_Chitturi, John_Morris, Soonho_Lee, Neil_Stratford, Thomas_Roessler, erica_newland, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, bryan_sullivan, Maria_Oteo, Daniel_Coloma, Richard_Tibbett, Dong-Young_Lee Regrets Robin_Berjon, Bo_Chen, Ingmar_Kliche, Alissa_Cooper Chair Frederick_Hirsch Scribe Suresh ## Contents * [Topics][5] 1. [Announcements][6] 2. [Minutes review][7] 3. [Privacy and Policy][8] 4. [Message API Status][9] 5. [SysInfo status][10] 6. [Contacts API][11] 7. [Calendar][12] 8. [Capture][13] 9. [Action and issue review][14] * [Summary of Action Items][15] * * * Date: 04 August 2010 SribeNick: Suresh Erica is able to scribe next week, thanks ScribeNick: Suresh ### Announcements TPAC registration and information available (F2F after London F2F, 4-5 November ) [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device- apis/2010Jun/0001.html][16] November 4-5 for a F2F [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/][17] [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/][17] Frederick: please register and fill in the questionnarie [Actual TPAC Registration form][18] The questionnaire is for WG planning, and can be done anytime, and should be done even if you don't plan to attend. The TPAC registration is essential if you plan to attend [March 2011 F2F in Seoul][19] March F2F, plan for Seoul Korea, [http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696 /seoul-f2f-dates/][19] dom notes hosting is confirmed Media Capture Working Draft published, 20 July - [http://www.w3.org/TR /html-media-capture/][20] Richard Tibbett now at Opera, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public /public-device-apis/2010Aug/0006.html][21] ### Minutes review [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes#draft-minutes][22] please review and indicate corrections fjh: the approval is deferred until Robin is back from vacation ### Privacy and Policy Bryan: Are there minutes available from the privacy workshop? [http://www.w3.org/2010/07/12-privacy-minutes.html][23] [http://www.w3.org/2010/07/13-privacy-minutes.html][24] draft minutes tlr: Summary report will be available soon ACTION-210? ACTION-210 -- Alissa Cooper to summarize and add issues to ruleset doc -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/210][25] fjh: the group needs to make a decision on how to move the ruleset forward Bryan: we should continue to discuss this - will take some time to flesh it out...UI aspects [public-privacy@w3.org mailing list][26] fjh: next step is to wait for ACTION 210.. John: agreed, it needs more discussion privacy plan - outline issues (ACTION-210), propose means to address if possible, then WG decision on next steps Suresh: Notification API? [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/features/][27] [list for discussions around the chartering of a Web Notification WG][28] fjh: suggest we remove Notifications from Feature draft at this time [Thread around the need for a URI for geolocation API in widgets][29] (I'm not sure if Notifications are very privacy-invasive in general) (+1 on that, just pointing out the general point) Suggest we avoid discussion of where URIs should be defined, currently keep in Features document so we can have text around the topic, and clarity [Call for Review: Rich Web Client Activity Proposal - Web Notification Working Group (Member-only)][30] Also suggest we limit to APIs in DAP + Geoloc, as a starting point tlr: FYI, notification work is being planned in a separate working group [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac- members/2010JulSep/0013.html][31] (member-confidential link) [Proposed W3C Charter: Web Notification Working Group (until 2010-08-23) [public announcement]][32] fjh: re feature, what is our next steps? dom: we need to be aware that there are exisiting feature classification, and make sure we take them as input for our work dom notes features can be used in various contexts, policy, widget, also potentially checkPermissions proposal, installable applications manifest **ACTION:** fjh to send notice on features draft to list and ask for help progressing [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action01][33]] Created ACTION-244 - Send notice on features draft to list and ask for help progressing [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-11]. **ACTION:** fjh to provide notice on tpac questionnaire [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap-minutes.html#action02][34]] Created ACTION-245 - Provide notice on tpac questionnaire [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-11]. fjh, you wanted to ask about WAC fjh: does anyone know anything on how WAC plans to align with DAP's specs? ... back to Policy, if there is any input please provide it to help progress policy work I suggest members of this WG that are involved with WAC to make sure WAC is aware of WG API work and strive toward alignment my comment re Web Notification WG proposal, this seems related to work that I lead in OMA and discussions we have had with HTML WG re Server-Sent Events and OMA Push (including SIP Push). I think this would be better handled as a new spec inside Webapps rather than a new group. AT&T would support this work, but joining another group is problematic. ACTION-218? ACTION-218 -- Paddy Byers to provide proposal for feature architecture text regarding web and widgets cases for feature document -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/218][35] ACTION-241? ACTION-241 -- Frederick Hirsch to review and update policy requirements -- due 2010-07-23 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/241][36] action-242? ACTION-242 -- Paddy Byers to review and update policy requirements -- due 2010-07-23 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/242][37] ### Message API Status [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Aug/0005.html][38] ACTION-222? ACTION-222 -- Thomas -- -- Roessler to review the Messaging -- -- security section -- due 2010-08-15 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/222][39] tlr notes will do today action-221? ACTION-221 -- Maria Angeles Oteo to draft a security section for Messaging -- due 2010-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/221][40] fjh: we should publish FPWD tlr: +1 +1 from Suresh **RESOLUTION: To publish FPWD of Messaging API - 10 Aug 2010** **ACTION:** Dom to request approval for FPWD for messaging and prepare publication [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action03][41]] Created ACTION-246 - Request approval for FPWD for messaging and prepare publication [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-08-11]. **ACTION:** fjh to send transition request for Message API FPWD publication [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action04][42]] Created ACTION-247 - Send transition request for Message API FPWD publication [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-08-11]. ACTION-247 will be done by Dom, reassign ### SysInfo status [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Aug/0002.html][43] Bryan will work on editorial items, anticipate completion mid-August ISSUE-92? ISSUE-92 -- Sysinfo, permissions for get vs monitor; -- open [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/92][44] "Should the privacy prompts/indications for operators that are permanent (watch) vs one-shot (get) differ? " **ACTION:** jmorris to provide a proposal relevant to ISSUE-92, sysinfo privacy prompts for operators get vs watch [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap-minutes.html#action05][45]] Created ACTION-248 - Provide a proposal relevant to ISSUE-92, sysinfo privacy prompts for operators get vs watch [on John Morris - due 2010-08-11]. (wouldn't monitor be equivalent to get then?) I see that there are no exceptions for monitor(), should we consider adding exceptions? (I suggest sending this as a question to the editors before raising an issue) ISSUE: some properties of sysinfo are static so monitor might not make sense Created ISSUE-96 - Some properties of sysinfo are static so monitor might not make sense ; please complete additional details at [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/96/edit][46] . action-203? ACTION-203 -- Bryan Sullivan to add proposal from John Morris re buckets to sysinfo, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jun/0322.html][47] -- due 2010-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/203][48] Suresh to send a note to the list re ISSUE-96 action-211? ACTION-211 -- Alissa Cooper to make proposal on list for sysinfo privacy section -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/211][49] action-212? ACTION-212 -- Bryan Sullivan to incorporate proposal from ACTION-211 into SysInfo draft -- due 2010-07-21 -- CLOSED [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/212][50] action-211 closed ACTION-211 Make proposal on list for sysinfo privacy section closed action-212 closed ACTION-212 Incorporate proposal from ACTION-211 into SysInfo draft closed (I think that's done; but Alissa will review it as part of ACTION-210) correct. will review sysinfo after the edits Expect that ACTION-213 and ACTION-243 will be done after edits complete, Bryan please notify the WG when complete assume also for ACTION-214 ### Contacts API [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Aug/0007.html][51] (richard) Richard plans to update over the next two weeks ACTION-215? ACTION-215 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to write up issues with write/delete access for Contacts APIs -- due 2010-07-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/215][52] tlr: coordination between OMA CAB and IETF vCard tlr link on vcard4, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0142.html][53] [Write-access difficulties (for contacts and other APIs) — for ACTION-215][54] tlr: OMA initial response was to have W3C align with OMA work ... we need to get IETF people involved as well Agree with fjh. We will need another working draft for Contacts API and Contacts Writer API in the very near future, which was mentioned before and during the f2f. suggest we publish another WD in mid-August of Contacts without delay, then allow review of other materials etc. Need to think about when Last Call might happen Bryan: I can facilitate the information from OMA CAB I'd like to set a schedule for Last Call for Contacts. me too sounds to me that we risk a large delay in reaching DAP Contacts last call, given various other parties ...and last call sooner rather than later, with inputs from vcard, oma and any other external groups before that time. (1 or 2 months from now?) suresh notes that OMA might provide an official liaison to DAP suresh notes that OMA schema is much more detailed, closer to vcard than DAP contacts I'd like input from OMA, vcard on the public mailing list and propose to set the schedule for last call in one month. +1 on intermediate draft showing removal of write access tlr: based on the discussion, I would support publishling a ordinary public draft plan to publish WD when current round of edits is done, then review convergence and plan schedule for Last Call Link to the OMA CAB address book schema spec: [http://member.openmobilealliance.org/ftp/Public_documents/COM/COM- CAB/Permanent_documents/OMA-SUP-XSD_cab_address_book-V1_0-20100309-D.zip][55] richt, you wanted to ask whether we are just publishing Contacts API working draft (not writer api)? bryan, is the spec relating to this XSD available? in fact... richard asks whether we want to publish writer at same time as contacts, so material is lost that xsd defines an element and doesn't say anything about the data model that's right, the schema is still TBD (I'm not sure about publishing contacts writer, but I wouldn't object to it) i will try to send the link to the actual spec or maybe better to have it through the OMA liaison suresh, thanks ACTION-215? ACTION-215 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to write up issues with write/delete access for Contacts APIs -- due 2010-07-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/215][52] [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0112.html][56] **ACTION:** Suresh to review OMA CAB, vCard work and provide a summary on how we may progress [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action06][57]] Created ACTION-249 - Review OMA CAB, vCard work and provide a summary on how we may progress [on Suresh Chitturi - due 2010-08-11]. Further link to the spec which describes the CAB address book schema as an object accessible via an OMA XML Document Management Service (XDMS): [http://member.openmobilealliance.org/ftp/Public_documents/COM/COM- CAB/Permanent_documents/OMA-TS-CAB_XDMS-V1_0-20100722-D.zip][58] **ACTION:** richard add issue to contact writer corresponding to Dom's email for ACTION-215, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0112.html][56] [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action07][59]] Created ACTION-250 - Add issue to contact writer corresponding to Dom's email for ACTION-215, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- device-apis/2010Jul/0112.html][56] [on Richard Tibbett - due 2010-08-11]. ACTION-230? ACTION-230 -- Wojciech Maslowski to specify "add to calendar" based on ICS-objects opening -- due 2010-08-05 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/230][60] ISSUE: Write-access difficulties (in contacts and other APIs), see [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Jul/0112.html][56] Created ISSUE-97 - Write-access difficulties (in contacts and other APIs), see [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0112.html][56] ; please complete additional details at [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/97/edit][61] . (regarding contacts, there was also discussion around ) ACTION-224? ACTION-224 -- Wojciech Maslowski to look into options for contacts API -- due 2010-08-05 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/224][62] fjh: the plan is to publish a read-only draft in mid-August after edits, and FPWD of contact writer later correct, dom, but nothing much to say on that on this call :-( ### Calendar [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0142.html][53] calConnect, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0143.html][63] OASIS WS-Calendaring tlr: no active work in IETF re calendar [http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ws- calendar][64] the open question is how can we be compatible with other calender services over the wire tlr notes will need use cases for lunisolar calendars and help on working on that if needed ACTION-227? ACTION-227 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to compare iCalendar recurrence model with current Calendar API -- due 2010-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/227][65] [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Jul/0115.html][66] +1 to work on the gregorian for the moment we have a way forward now on Calendar with the resolution to continue with what we have now (smaller scope than lunisolar support)... ...and having a TimezonedDate proposal that is nearly complete dom: we need to take a look at my comments... ### Capture [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Aug/0004.html][67] dom, we do need to address your comments on Calendar Recurrence rules. Will do that on the mailing list. "how do we properly reference external IDLs (after we moved e.g. FormatData into external spec HTMLMEDIACAPTURE)?" (I'll respond to him on the list) ACTION-235? ACTION-235 -- Ingmar Kliche to polish Media Capture -- due 2010-07-23 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/235][68] RE: referencing external widls. perhaps we should be defining modules as in the WebIDL spec. AFAICS, modules can be referenced across specs like ::module1::submodule1 (etc) ### Action and issue review ACTION-210 stays open ACTION-211? ACTION-211 -- Alissa Cooper to make proposal on list for sysinfo privacy section -- due 2010-07-21 -- CLOSED [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/211][49] ACTION-213, ACTION-243, ACTION-214 open, await update of Sysinfo before review ACTION-216? ACTION-216 -- WonSuk Lee to reformulate gallery API to look like contacts API -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/216][69] ACTION-218? ACTION-218 -- Paddy Byers to provide proposal for feature architecture text regarding web and widgets cases for feature document -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/218][35] ACTION-222? ACTION-222 -- Thomas Roessler to review the Messaging security section -- due 2010-08-15 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/222][39] today ACTION-238? ACTION-238 -- Bryan Sullivan to inform OMA groups of our status -- due 2010-07-23 -- OPEN [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/238][70] Bryan will provide an update ISSUE-92? ISSUE-92 -- Sysinfo, permissions for get vs monitor; -- open [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/92][44] ISSUE-78? ISSUE-78 -- Capture has a minimisation problem with EXIF data (e.g. it could be Geotagged) -- open [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/78][71] [http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html-media-capture-20100720/#security][72] has text around it ISSUE-78: [http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html-media- capture-20100720/#security][72] has text around it ISSUE-78 Capture has a minimisation problem with EXIF data (e.g. it could be Geotagged) notes added "For instance, embedding the user's location in a captured media metadata (e.g. EXIF) might transmit more private data than the user might be expecting" "Implementations must not embed information in the EXIF header which could be used for non-intended purposes (such as geolocation or device id). " [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/Overview-API.html#security][73] ISSUE-78: draft security text is "For instance, embedding the user's location in a captured media metadata (e.g. EXIF) might transmit more private data than the user might be expecting" ISSUE-78 Capture has a minimisation problem with EXIF data (e.g. it could be Geotagged) notes added jmorris: perhaps a description in the privacy/security may help **ACTION:** jmorris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action08][74]] Created ACTION-251 - Review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture [on John Morris - due 2010-08-11]. action251: "Implementations must not embed information in the EXIF header which could be used for non-intended purposes (such as geolocation or device id). " [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/Overview- API.html#security][73] ACTION-251: review both in html-media-capture and media-capture-api (current texts differ) ACTION-251 Review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture notes added action-251: "Implementations must not embed information in the EXIF header which could be used for non-intended purposes (such as geolocation or device id). " [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/Overview- API.html#security][73] ACTION-251 Review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture notes added ACTION-251: draft Capture security text is "For instance, embedding the user's location in a captured media metadata (e.g. EXIF) might transmit more private data than the user might be expecting" ACTION-251 Review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture notes added ACTION-251: draft Capture security text is "For instance, embedding the user’s location in a captured media metadata (e.g. EXIF) might transmit more private data than the user might be expecting" ACTION-251 Review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture notes added ISSUE-36? ISSUE-36 -- How far can we go with domain based trust model given constraints of HTML5 security model -- open [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/36][75] (this was raised back in November 2009 [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2009Nov/att-0017/minutes-2009-11-02.html#item04][76] ) bryan notes how do you determine the origin, for browser clear, for widget less clear, interaction of models ISSUE-26? ISSUE-26 -- How to refer to API -- open [http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/26][77] ISSUE-26: WG agrees to use URIs for features to refer to APIs ISSUE-26 How to refer to API notes added dom: with features we can close issue 26 ISSUE-26 closed ISSUE-26 How to refer to API closed ISSUE-26: [http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/features/][27] API features draft ISSUE-26 How to refer to API notes added Bryan notes that need positive statements to enable testability Bryan: re EXIF minimization problem, we could say that the implemention should expose "these" data as opposed to "only these" tlr: not comfortable controlling what gets exposed or not...and support jmorris idea of describing privacy related text Bryan: it was only a suggestion, was just tyring to say how to make it a useful requirement regrets from me for next week ## Summary of Action Items **[NEW]** **ACTION:** Dom to request approval for FPWD for messaging and prepare publication [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action03][41]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to provide notice on tpac questionnaire [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap-minutes.html#action02][34]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to send notice on features draft to list and ask for help progressing [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action01][33]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** fjh to send transition request for Message API FPWD publication [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action04][42]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** jmorris to provide a proposal relevant to ISSUE-92, sysinfo privacy prompts for operators get vs watch [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap-minutes.html#action05][45]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** jmorris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action08][74]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** richard add issue to contact writer corresponding to Dom's email for ACTION-215, [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- device-apis/2010Jul/0112.html][56] [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04 -dap-minutes.html#action07][59]] **[NEW]** **ACTION:** Suresh to review OMA CAB, vCard work and provide a summary on how we may progress [recorded in [http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap- minutes.html#action06][57]] [End of minutes] * * * Minutes formatted by David Booth's [scribe.perl][78] version 1.135 ([CVS log][79]) $Date: 2009-03-02 03:52:20 $ [1]: http://www.w3.org/Icons/w3c_home [2]: http://www.w3.org/ [3]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device- apis/2010Aug/0009.html [4]: http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-dap-irc [5]: #agenda [6]: #item01 [7]: #item02 [8]: #item03 [9]: #item04 [10]: #item05 [11]: #item06 [12]: #item07 [13]: #item08 [14]: #item09 [15]: #ActionSummary [16]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device- apis/2010Jun/0001.html [17]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/tpac2010dap/ [18]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/ 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