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RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

From: Steve Parker <sparker@well.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:30:05 -0700
To: "Rotan Hanrahan" <Rotan.Hanrahan@MobileAware.com>, "Holley Kevin \(Centre\)" <Kevin.Holley@o2.com>, <www-mobile@w3.org>
Cc: <public-ddwg@w3.org>
MessageFormally, these are certainly the right standards/groups, but the
track record is disappointing in practise. In my experience, the UAProf info
actually supplied is not necessarily accurate or complete. The URLs are not
always present or correct. There is no mechanism or procedure for correcting
it - its entirely at the manufacturers' whim. Even when the data are ok,
there's a lot of useful parameters missing from the standard. There's
supposed to be a Java API, but I had to report a bug in the JSR reference
implementation months after it was approved. It's very frustrating to anyone
actually trying to cater for all the different devices right now. Standards
are one thing, but to get something working, now, WURFL is the only show in
town. I'm not an open source zealot, but WURFL has gone further faster than
the standards bodies. It works as advertised, it's responsive, it's simple
to use, it's user extensible.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: www-mobile-request@w3.org [mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Rotan Hanrahan
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:07 PM
  To: Holley Kevin (Centre); www-mobile@w3.org
  Cc: public-ddwg@w3.org
  Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

  The UAProf information, where provided and validated, can provide some
essential and objective information about mobile devices. It has been
recognised, however, that in many domains of content authoring and
adaptation that such information is insufficient. The DDWG will be exploring
the bigger picture, and looking at ways that a general device description
repository could be achieved, such that it can encompass UAProf and other
sources of information, avoiding replication of services, and providing the
necessary features of discovery, trust, efficiency and related information
management issues. The DDWG is specifically directed to liaise with UAProf
and other related groups to this end. Planned W3C Notes will explain in
further detail, and these shall get a public airing during this year. Input
from interested parties via the public mailing list will be encouraged. The
group will also solicit specific information from key parties where

  I hope this adds some clarity.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Holley Kevin (Centre) [mailto:Kevin.Holley@o2.com]
  Sent: 20 July 2005 21:55
  To: Rotan Hanrahan; www-mobile@w3.org
  Cc: public-ddwg@w3.org
  Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

  Isn't this already covered by OMA UAPROF at:



  Kind Regards,


    -----Original Message-----
    From: public-ddwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ddwg-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Rotan Hanrahan
    Sent: 20 July 2005 09:17
    To: www-mobile@w3.org
    Cc: public-ddwg@w3.org
    Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

    The issue of discovering where such information can be found, how it is
accessed, represented, managed etc is part of the charter of the MWI Device
Description Working Group [1]. Hopefully when the group completes its work
there will be better clarity in this area.

    --- Rotan. (Chair, DDWG)

    [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/DDWG/

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Steve Parker [mailto:sparker@well.com]
    Sent: 20 July 2005 03:39
    To: Joel Zimmerli; www-mobile@w3.org
    Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?


    Enjoy ...
      -----Original Message-----
      From: www-mobile-request@w3.org [mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Joel Zimmerli
      Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:25 AM
      To: www-mobile@w3.org
      Subject: Mobile phone capabilities list?

      In order to develop an interface to send MMS from a Website galery,
I'm wondering if a list of the capabilities of the most used portable phones
does exist?

      In particular, I would like to be able to know the display resolution
(ex. 140x140 pixels) for every device.

      Does someone know if such a list exists (XML or another format)?

      Thank you in advance for your suggestions and help.



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