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RE: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-requirements

From: Tandy, Jeremy <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:11:02 +0000
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>, Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com>, Davide Ceolin <d.ceolin@vu.nl>, "W3C CSV on the Web Working Group" <public-csv-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <2624871D9A05174691BD59F8EFD68AE20884A9E9@EXXCMPD1DAG3.cmpd1.metoffice.gov.uk>
Ivan - thanks for initial comment. We'll merge pwd-ucr into gh-pages once we're happy. Until then, I fix `index.html` in gh-pages branch and then generate a new `Overview.html` (from respec) which I commit into pwd-ucr.

Jeremy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> Sent: 20 June 2014 15:40
> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> Cc: Dan Brickley; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
> on the Web Working Group
> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-and-
> requirements
> 
> 
> On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:51 , Tandy, Jeremy
> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dan & Ivan -
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Pending resolution of the [request sent to Ivan this morning][1] I
> have managed to run through the entire publishing process to generate
> the [`Overview`][2] and [`diff`][3] html pages via RawGit.
> >
> > Regarding the [PubRules][4] validation (see [results][5])...
> > - I fixed some nested anchor elements caused by using `<a>` within a
> figure caption that then got wrapped in another `<a>` by respec, and
> found a pair of unescaped `<` and `>` characters ... nothing much.
> > - HTML validation still complains (with a warning) that the <bdi>
> > element is not generally supported
> 
> That is warning. We should get that through with the webmaster:-)
> 
> > - I get an error on the boiler plate regarding the Patent Policy ...
> > even though this is generated by respect :-(
> 
> Hm. I will have to look at that next week, I vaguely remember some
> issues with the checker
> 
> > - I get a number of HTTP 404 errors on URLs in the document; but
> these
> > are all from with <pre> elements (e.g. literal examples) and we
> agreed
> > last time that these didn't count
> 
> Yes. We will have to document that to the webmaster
> 
> > - I get an HTTP 403 error on
> http://www.nhs.uk/aboutnhschoices/contactus/pages/freedom-of-
> information.aspx - but this resolves fine for me in my browser!
> >
> 
> Yes, there are sites that put in obstacles for robots. As long as this
> is documented that it works...
> 
> 
> > Once we're happy that the UCR document is in its final state, I'll
> run though this process again ... it didn't take very long.
> 
> But we should merge it to the main branch, and not keep it in the
> separate one. The whole purpose is that whatever changes you do should
> be there once and for all and you would not have to repeat them next
> time:-)
> 
> >
> > Also, I'd appreciate an experienced assessment on the things that
> PubRules says I need to manually verify. Most of them seem OK - but
> what do I know!?
> >
> 
> I will do that next week.
> 
> Ivan
> 
> > Best Regards, Jeremy
> >
> > PS. I've added a few amendments to the [publishing process][6] to
> explain how to use the RawGit service.
> 
> Thanks! We and others will, hopefully profit from it...
> 
> I can contact the webmaster with an agreement for the 1st of July, but
> I have to know whether the UCR is the only document to be published on
> that day!
> 
> 
> Ivan
> 
> >
> > [1]:
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Jun/0131.html
> > [2]:
> > https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-
> 0
> > 7-01/Overview.html
> > [3]:
> > https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/pwd-ucr/publishing-snapshots/WD-ucr-2014-
> 0
> > 7-01/diff-20140327.html
> > [4]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
> > [5]:
> >
> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Ftid
> >
> y%2Ftidy%3FdocAddr%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Frawgit.com%252Fw3c%252Fcsvw%2
> > 52Fpwd-ucr%252Fpublishing-snapshots%252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
> 01%252FOverview
> >
> .html&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A%
> >
> 2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%252
> > 6year%253D2014%2526docstatus%253Dord-wd-
> tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526pr
> >
> evrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dht
> > tps%25253A%25252F%25252Frawgit.com%25252Fw3c%25252Fcsvw%25252Fpwd-
> ucr%
> > 25252Fpublishing-snapshots%25252FWD-ucr-2014-07-
> 01%25252FOverview.html
> >
> %2526filterValues%253D%2526nscheckmanual%253D%2526display%253Dall%2526
> >
> recursive%253Doff%2526recurse_auth%253Don%26xslfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww
> >
> .w3.org%2F2005%2F09%2Fchecker%2Fframe.xsl%26display%3Dall%26recurse_au
> > th%3Don&uimode=checker_full&filterValues=&year=2014&docstatus=ord-wd-
> t
> >
> r&rectrack=yes&prevrec=none&patpol=w3c&normative=yes&doc_uri=https%3A%
> > 2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fcsvw%2Fpwd-ucr%2Fpublishing-snapshots%2FWD-
> ucr
> > -2014-07-
> 01%2FOverview.html&recursive=off&nscheckmanual=&display=all&r
> > ecurse_auth=on
> > [6]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/publishing_process.md
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@google.com]
> >> Sent: 19 June 2014 19:58
> >> To: Tandy, Jeremy
> >> Cc: Ivan Herman; Jeni Tennison; Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV
> >> on the Web Working Group
> >> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
> and-
> >> requirements
> >>
> >> On 19 June 2014 16:02, Tandy, Jeremy <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi Ivan -
> >>>
> >>> I've created the new ucr WD on a new branch: pwd-ucr ... because I
> >> didn't want to confuse things by publishing early wrt the W3C
> >> publishing regime.
> >>>
> >>> I've got up to step 4.vii of the [publishing process][1] but
> because
> >> I am not on gh-pages branch I can't push my new Overview.html to a
> >> publically accessible web server in order to run the W3C pub rules
> >> checker.
> >>
> >> There's a service at rawgit.com that seems useful, for short-term
> low
> >> traffic use. I pasted https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/use-
> >> cases-and-requirements/index.html
> >> into their "development" form and get:
> >>
> >> https://rawgit.com/w3c/csvw/gh-pages/use-cases-and-
> >> requirements/index.html
> >>
> >> I tried that in pubrules checker http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules
> >> and
> >> got:
> >>
> >> Using org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser
> >> Exception net.sf.saxon.trans.XPathException:
> >> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
> >>
> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
> >> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
> >> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
> (Unicode:
> >> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
> >> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; systemId:
> >>
> http://services.w3.org/tidy/tidy?docAddr=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw
> >> 3c %2Fcsvw%2Fgh-pages%2Fuse-cases-and-requirements%2Findex.html;
> >> lineNumber: 11; columnNumber: 149; An invalid XML character
> (Unicode:
> >> 0x1b) was found in the element content of the document.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Would you just recommend that I merge in the changes with gh-pages
> >> branch and get on with the process?
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks, Jeremy
> >>>
> >>> [1]: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-
> pages/publishing_process.md
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >>>> Sent: 19 June 2014 11:37
> >>>> To: Tandy, Jeremy; Jeni Tennison
> >>>> Cc: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; W3C CSV on the Web Working Group;
> >>>> Dan Brickley
> >>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-cases-
> >> and-
> >>>> requirements
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:23 , Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>> <jeremy.tandy@metoffice.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ivan: """Tuesday 1st of July is our best option"""
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm happy with this for next PWD release.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would this be also a date for publishing the two other (model,
> >>>> metadata) documents, or do we want to do an independent
> publishing?
> >>>> (Both are fine with me, but we should decide).
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeremy, can you try to go through the publishing process, as
> >>>> described in the archive? I hope that would work...
> >>>>
> >>>> Ivan
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jeremy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> >>>>>> Sent: 18 June 2014 17:13
> >>>>>> To: Eric Stephan; Davide Ceolin; Tandy, Jeremy
> >>>>>> Cc: W3C CSV on the Web Working Group; Dan Brickley
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: June 18 call summary: resolved to publish use-
> cases-
> >>>> and-
> >>>>>> requirements
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:33 , Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <skip/>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Next steps: UCR editors, can you wrap up any outstanding
> tweaks,
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> liaise with Ivan to get a publication date scheduled? (please
> >>>>>>> copy
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> list on these details)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Publishing happens on tuesdays and thursdays. It always require
> >>>>>> some preparation and also an agreement with the webmaster (to
> put
> >>>>>> this into his schedule). Note also what I wrote down after the
> >>>>>> previous
> >>>> round:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/publishing_process.md
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> which helps in speeding things up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As far as my schedule is concerned, I am free next week Tuesday
> >>>>>> (24th), but I am not really available for the rest of this week
> >> (I
> >>>> am
> >>>>>> currently in Oslo for a conference, traveling back on Friday),
> so
> >>>>>> this may be tight. I am not available on the 26th. I am
> available
> >>>>>> on the first two weeks of July both on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My feeling is that the Tuesday 1st of July is our best option,
> at
> >>>>>> least from my side (ie, if you can finalize the documents by
> >> then)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would that work?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would we also want to schedule the two other documents for that
> >>>>>> date (model and metadata)? Note that we need an explicit WG
> >>>>>> resolution
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> a request for an official 'short name' for the latter, because
> >>>>>> that is a first public draft. (In case you wonder: all this
> admin
> >>>>>> around the first draft is mainly necessary for the management of
> >>>>>> Patent
> >>>> Policies.
> >>>>>> The world would be simpler if we did not have to deal with
> >>>>>> that...)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ivan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> chairs,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----
> >>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> >>>>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> >>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> >>>>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> >>>>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Ivan Herman, W3C
> >>>> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> >>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> >>>> mobile: +31-641044153
> >>>> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> >>>> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> 
> 
> ----
> Ivan Herman, W3C
> Digital Publishing Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> GPG: 0x343F1A3D
> WebID: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf#me
> 
> 
> 
> 
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