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Re: Latest (most recent) version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf and text-orientation-script-001* tests

From: Gérard Talbot <css21testsuite@gtalbot.org>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 01:03:39 -0400
To: Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com>
Cc: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com>, Elika 'fantasai' Etemad <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, Public CSS Test suite mailing list <public-css-testsuite@w3.org>
Message-ID: <6fb7c509cd4e85b50bedbd88b64cf6fe@gtalbot.org>
Le 2015-09-30 18:20, Ken Lunde a écrit :
> Gérard,
> 
> Given that these OpenType fonts cover all of Unicode in a way that is
> not tied to a particular version of Unicode, the likelihood up
> frequent updates is very low. I can either set a reminder for myself
> to notify when an update is issued, or you can check the project at
> specific times of the year. Or both.

Ken,

Right now, to my knowledge, only Koji Ishii has created tests using your
CSSHWOrientationTest.otf font file . We will check once in a while
if we are still using the latest version... hopefully, the filesize of a
newer version will be different from the present version.

I just updated the README.md file.

http://hg.csswg.org/test/rev/b2d1c69ac55d

The updates are mostly about the font binary version: what is the latest 
version and where to check for the latest.

Ken, thank you for your time.

Gérard

> 
>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Gérard Talbot 
>> <css21testsuite@gtalbot.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Le 2015-09-29 19:28, Ken Lunde a écrit :
>>> Gérard,
>>> I am not involved in maintaining the material at test.csswg.org, so I
>>> cannot comment on the version of the fonts that are there, especially
>>> given that the fonts are open source and can thus be modified.
>> 
>> 
>> I understand.
>> 
>> 
>>> The latest version of the fonts in the original GitHub project is 
>>> indeed 1.005.
>> 
>> 
>> I have added such version of the font into
>> 
>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>> 
>> and inserted "-v1.005" into its filename ... that is a 
>> temporary+transitory step until we (people using your valuable font 
>> and test.csswg.org maintainers) decide if we need to establish some 
>> kind of  protocols to make sure we are using the latest and most 
>> recent version of that font file. Maybe just checking once in a while 
>> and replacing/overwriting for updating when needed would be 
>> sufficient...?
>> 
>>> I am not sure how to ensure that test.csswg.org stays in sync with 
>>> the
>>> GitHub project.
>>> About why some font consumers think that the fonts are for math or
>>> other purposes is likely due to the very complete coverage of 
>>> Unicode,
>>> in terms of their 'cmap' tables. Complete Unicode code point coverage
>>> would, of course, tickle the bits that would advertise the fonts as
>>> supporting math. I consider this to be failed heuristics on the part
>>> of the font consumer.
>> 
>> I have opened a bug report over at bugzilla.mozilla.org on this:
>> 
>> Bug 1209752 - Recognition, handling of filename.otf
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1209752
>> 
>>> Regards...
>> 
>> Hey Ken! Thanks for your email reply! :)
>> 
>> Gérard
>> 
>>> -- Ken
>>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Gérard Talbot 
>>>> <css21testsuite@gtalbot.org> wrote:
>>>> Ken,
>>>> In this webpage
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>>> it is not possible to know for sure if the CSSHWOrientationTest.otf 
>>>> font file is the most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf. 
>>>> The last modified date info does not relate to the version of the 
>>>> OTF font file. The filesize given of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf at 
>>>> test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/ is 
>>>> 45.8 Kilo-bytes.
>>>> On the other hand, at
>>>> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/css-orientation-test/
>>>> the latest most recent version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is 1.005 
>>>> and its filesize is 33.2 Kilo-bytes .
>> 
>> !error: it should have been saying 37.2, not 33.2
>> 
>>>> - - - - - - - -
>>>> This brings a possible problem...
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/search/name/text-orientation-script-001/
>>>> All 16 text-orientation-script-001* tests use and resort to
>>>> @font-face {
>>>>   font-family: "orientation";
>>>>   src: url("support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf");
>>>> }
>>>> which, in all probabilities, do not link to the latest, most recent 
>>>> version of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf .
>>>> There ought to be a way to avoid and to prevent such "inaccuracy"...
>>>> The support/adobe-fonts/CSSHWOrientationTest.otf should be using the 
>>>> most recent version possible of CSSHWOrientationTest.otf . This 
>>>> seems increasingly important since the text-orientation-script-001* 
>>>> tests appear to be very difficult, very user-system-resources 
>>>> demanding to testers (starting with me).
>>>> - - - - - - - -
>>>> Another question - maybe not an important issue, hard to say - about 
>>>> CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is why some browsers (eg Firefox 41) 
>>>> "believe" that CSSHWOrientationTest.otf is an ODF file type that can 
>>>> be processed by LibreOffice Math? When Elika and I do a left mouse 
>>>> button click on the link CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>>> this happens.
>>>> I have looked inside Firefox's 41 preferences and settings and I can 
>>>> not figure this out.
>>>> This may be a Firefox-only issue... and a Linux-only issue... I do 
>>>> not know..
>>>> When I do a left mouse button click on the link 
>>>> CSSHWOrientationTest.otf in
>>>> http://test.csswg.org/source/css-writing-modes-3/support/adobe-fonts/
>>>> Opera 12.16 "thinks" this is an application/font-snft file type ... 
>>>> which makes more sense while Chrome just download automatically the 
>>>> file.
>>>> Gérard
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