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RE: CSS2.1 i18n and bidi tests for review

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:24:33 +0100
To: "'Eira Monstad'" <eiram@opera.com>, "'Bert Bos'" <bert@w3.org>, "'fantasai'" <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Cc: <public-css-testsuite@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c8f706$fbb88ee0$f329aca0$@org>

Btw, I have now published the new set of tests:

http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2008/08/04/updated_tests_aamp_results_l
anguage_depe

RI

============
Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida@w3.org]
> Sent: 23 July 2008 12:10
> To: 'Richard Ishida'; 'Eira Monstad'; 'Bert Bos'; 'fantasai'
> Cc: public-css-testsuite@w3.org
> Subject: RE: CSS2.1 i18n and bidi tests for review
> 
> I'm just tweaking the XHTML 1.1 tests a little more...
> 
> RI
> 
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> 
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> http://rishida.net/
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida@w3.org]
> > Sent: 22 July 2008 20:30
> > To: 'Eira Monstad'; 'Bert Bos'; 'fantasai'
> > Cc: 'public-css-testsuite@w3.org'
> > Subject: RE: CSS2.1 i18n and bidi tests for review
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > Quite by coincidence I had been working on an update to these tests and
> their
> > results on the i18n site.  I have updated the format and made a few
small
> > corrections.  I also added some tests related to script tags in RFC 4646
> (BCP 47),
> > and tidied up the tests related to xml:lang so that they test whether a
UA
> uses
> > lang related selector values with xml:lang attribute values when the
> document is
> > text/html (they don't).
> >
> > Today I extended the tests to cover XML 1.1 served as XML, using
xml:lang
> with
> > an escape (couldn't get xml|lang to work).
> >
> > I haven't publicly announced the new versions yet, but they can be found
> at
> > http://www.w3.org/International/tests/test-css-lang-1 (and -2 to -6) and
> the first
> > set of results at
> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/results/results-css-lang
> >
> > Wrt the CSS tests, the files are served as XHTML 1.1 but the assertion
> says "lang
> > attribute selector with att=val in HTML...".  Is this what was intended
or
> should the
> > assertion say XHTML?  Note that the lang attribute is not part of XHTML
> 1.1,
> > which is why the pages don't validate.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> > RI
> >
> >
> > ============
> > Richard Ishida
> > Internationalization Lead
> > W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/International/
> > http://rishida.net/
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eira Monstad [mailto:eiram@opera.com]
> > > Sent: 05 July 2008 23:08
> > > To: Bert Bos; fantasai
> > > Cc: public-css-testsuite@w3.org; 'Richard Ishida'
> > > Subject: Re: CSS2.1 i18n and bidi tests for review
> > >
> > > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:30:04 +0200, Bert Bos <bert@w3.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > fantasai wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> http://people.opera.com/eiram/test/css21/review/lang-pseudoclass-001.xht
> > > >>
> http://people.opera.com/eiram/test/css21/review/lang-pseudoclass-002.xht
> > > >>   Same comments about background-color etc.. but I think we need
> > > >>   a spec clarification here before I can review the content of
> > > >>   the test. I would expect :lang to be case-insensitive because
> > > >>   the language codes are... But that's not specified in the spec,
> > > >>   so.. I guess I'll have to file an issue.
> > > >
> > > > Section 5.11.4 indeed doesn't say that the argument of ':lang()' is
> > > > case-insensitive, but I don't think it should. The selector matches
> > > > whatever the document defines to be its language, and although we
hope
> > > > and recommend that every document uses RFC 4646 (and the selector
> > > > clearly works best if it does), we don't require that.
> > > >
> > > > This test case uses HTML and HTTP, which do use that RFC, and thus
the
> > > > language codes in this test case are indeed case-insensitive.
> > > >
> > > > I think it is correct to test for that, because CSS says (4.1.3)
that
> it
> > > > defers to the document for the case-sensitivity of text that comes
> from
> > > > the document. I.e., a CSS UA that fails this test case is indeed
> > > > non-conforming.
> > >
> > > I agree. I spent some time tracking down justifications for either
> > > interpretation before deciding to test for this, but ended up with the
> > > same conclusion, defer to document. I also discussed briefly with
Hixie,
> > > who agrees too.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eira Monstad
> > > CoreQA
> > >
> > > Furthermore, it is my opinion that BTS2 must be destroyed
Received on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:25:06 GMT

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