[MINUTES] W3C Credentials CG Call - 2018-10-09 12pm ET

Thanks to Manu Sporny for scribing this week! The minutes
for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available:

https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2018-10-09/

Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).

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Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2018-10-09

Agenda:
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2018Oct/0024.html
Topics:
  1. Agenda Review
  2. Introductions / Re-introductions
  3. Announcements / Reminders
  4. Progress on Action/Work Items
  5. W3C TPAC Planning.
Organizer:
  Kim Hamilton Duffy and Joe Andrieu and Christopher Allen
Scribe:
  Manu Sporny
Present:
  Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin, Manu Sporny, Ganesh Annan, Mike 
  Lodder, Andrew Hughes, Dan Burnett, Samantha Mathews Chase, 
  Heather Vescent, Dave Longley, Christopher Allen, Ken Ebert, 
  Kaliya Young, Joe Andrieu, Drummond Reed, Lucas Parker, Bohdan 
  Andriyiv, Matt Stone, Jeff Orgel, Kim Hamilton Duffy
Audio:
  https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2018-10-09/audio.ogg

Manu Sporny is scribing.

Topic: Agenda Review

Joe Andrieu:  We're going to go over the standard stuff... most 
  of the conversation willb e about TPAC planning. We have a 
  session on Tuesday, some stuff on Wednesday.
Drummond Reed: Connections?
Joe Andrieu:  We want to go over DID WG Charter and DID Focal Use 
  Cases... Manu is on the spot for catching things on the list.
Samantha Mathews Chase:  Is there time where we can talk about 
  TimBL and Solid and WebID and the politics of all of that?
Manu Sporny:  Yeah, we have been getting a lot of questions 
  around Solid.
Joe Andrieu:  Good suggestion, we'll add it to the Agenda.

Topic: Introductions / Re-introductions

Joe Andrieu:  Anyone new on the call today?
Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin:  Snorre from Diwala - I'm a DIF 
  member.
Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin: No probs :) I might have gone 
  under the name vongohren :)
Joe Andrieu: Ah-hah! It's an identity problem. ;)
Matt Stone:  Hi Matt Stone, one of the Chairs of the Verifiable 
  Claims WG... been working in this area for a while. Used to work 
  for Pearson Acclaim... haven't dialed in in a while, dialing in 
  now. :)

Topic: Announcements / Reminders

Joe Andrieu:  W3C TPAC is coming up... Oct 23rd - Oct 26th. If 
  you're going and you haven't registered, you need to do so soon. 
  IIW is going on at the same time, some of us will be there.
Christopher Allen: 
  https://www.w3.org/Security/strong-authentication-and-identity-workshop/cfp.html
Manu Sporny:  There is a W3C Strong Authentication and Identity 
  workshop that is going on Dec 10-11th. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
https://www.w3.org/Security/strong-authentication-and-identity-workshop/
Christopher Allen: December 10th and 11th, 2018; Location 
  Microsoft Building 27, Redmond, WA
Manu Sporny:  The purpose of the workshop is to align standards 
  initiatives around strong authentication and identity. So DIDs 
  will be a big part of the discussion, VCs as well. WebAuthn and 
  privacy. Things of that nature. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  It's happening Dec 10-11th in Building 27 on the 
  Microsoft Campus in Redmond, WA. If you care about this stuff and 
  you can join, please do. Usually you have to submit a position 
  statement, 1-3 pages, the group gets back to you. Pretty much 
  anyone can attend. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  DIDs and verifiable claims/credentials, web auth, 
  privacy, etc dec 10-11th building 27 microsoft campus redmond 
  washington [scribe assist by Samantha Mathews Chase]
Samantha Mathews Chase: Strong authentication and identity 
  workshop going on
Samantha Mathews Chase: ... If you care about this stuff please 
  attend, write paper to join
Manu Sporny:  Sometimes they close it to journalists because the 
  big companies get touchy. When journalists are there changes 
  engagement. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  If you care about Strong AuthN and Identity please 
  attend. A mix between RWoT, IIW, and the more formal conferences 
  as far as what to expect somewhere in the middle of those types 
  of things. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Any questions? [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Attendance is limited to 70 people, it's invitation 
  only, please apply and show up... first come first served.

Topic: Progress on Action/Work Items

Joe Andrieu:  Scribe training - Kim has published a video.
Kim Hamilton Duffy:  We had a scribe training, posted video for 
  that, will update w/ clarifications that Manu made.
Kim Hamilton Duffy:  I updated the IRC commands Github page, will 
  post a link for that later... will try to organize it along the 
  lines of "if you're scribing"... "if you're attending", etc.
Kim Hamilton Duffy:  IRC command reference should be more useful 
  now.
Samantha Mathews Chase: Thanks for all that kim, very helpful!!
Joe Andrieu:  Spec text training... I tried to watch the raw 
  video again, it's difficult. Andrew, is there some way we can do 
  an edited version of that?
Andrew Hughes:  It's just going to take time to mark it up and 
  chop it up and edit... will take time.
Joe Andrieu:  Is there anyone in the group that has video editing 
  chops?
Heather Vescent: I have the chops, but I don't have time right 
  now.
Andrew Hughes:  We just need someone to use any tool to chop out 
  sections.
Samantha Mathews Chase: Thanks @dlongley
Kim Hamilton Duffy:  You can use iMovie...
Heather Vescent: I recommend Streamflow as an application that is 
  easy to use.
Joe Andrieu:  Switching over to work items...
Joe Andrieu:  There is the Data Minimization work item - Lionel 
  has an update, but don't think he's here today.
Christopher Allen:  It's been published as a final draft for 
  Rebooting.
Christopher Allen:  The goal at this point is to turn it into 
  spec text and then get some more review and consensus on the 
  terminology that we use there. One of the reasons for this 
  document was the data minimization standards and thoughts about 
  that were not well documented, sometimes behind paywalls.
Christopher Allen:  Certain terms were being bandied about w/o 
  precision. It needs to work for communities broader than our own. 
  We'd like to do a little iteration on it, do a WG note.
Joe Andrieu:  Who is turning it into ReSpec?
Christopher Allen:  I don't know.
Joe Andrieu:  We should find someone to do that.
Joe Andrieu:  We're talking about DIDs and DID Use Cases... no 
  other updates that are big.

Topic: W3C TPAC Planning.

Joe Andrieu:  On Tuesday afternoon, we have 2 hours - what are we 
  going to do to fill those two hours.
Manu Sporny:  Do you have the time on Tuesday for the CCG? 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu: 13:30-15:30 Credentials CG
Joe Andrieu: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/schedule.html
Manu Sporny:  Tzyiva has proposed to give us time in front of AC 
  meeting. AC meeting has people from every 400+ company in front 
  of the room, Tzviya has asked us to do a lightning talk in front 
  of everyone about DIDs. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I think the time is good because it doesn't 
  conflict with the AC meeting. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  I thought this was in front of the AC meeting? 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  3-6Pm on Tuesday, there's 30 mins of overlap. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  In the CCG meeting, it's whatever the CCG wants to 
  talk about, we may do some last minute fine tuning. Wed is a big 
  day where we have to run multiple sessions, it's an unconference. 
  What we're trying to do during TPAC is give W3C members as many 
  opportunities as possible to engage with the concept of DIDs. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  We'll talk at the CCG meeting, we'll talk on Wed 
  about them, talk about during WICG Thursday, and in the VCWG on 
  Thurs and Fri. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Hopefully everyone will be sick and tired about 
  hearing about DIDs by the end of the week but we will have 
  socialized the concept broadly in the community and given them a 
  heads up we'll be asking for a WG in Jan. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  That's what we should be focused on at TPAC this 
  year, I know Joe you are coordinating us wearing buttons "Ask me 
  about DIDs" and other coordinations. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Drummond Reed: "Ask me about Decentralized Identifiers?" buttons? 
  How do I get one of those??
Manu Sporny:  I think at a high level that's what we're trying to 
  do but specifically for the CCG meeting we should talk about 
  other things as well, next steps, etc. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  These CCG meetings are going to be attended by 
  people who have never engaged by the CCG. People who are just 
  sort of interested in what's going on. We may want the first part 
  of the meeting to just be an introductory thing. "If you've never 
  been to a CCG meeting, this is what we're working on, VCs, DIDs, 
  data minimization schemes, so on" [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Then the latter part of the meeting can talk about 
  how we're going to move work forward and that sort of stuff. 
  Those are suggestions, it's up to this group to shape the agenda 
  for that Tuesday meeting. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Also helps me organize what we're doing for the 
  panel, so on. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Christopher Allen:  Wondering if it's worthwhile updating the DID 
  primer in time for the event. People want something they can read 
  and it's a bit out of date now. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  So I don't know if it's super out of date, I think 
  it's enough. Everything we wanted to submit to TPAC it's already 
  too late to work on, sending out tomorrow. I looked at the primer 
  and it's good enough for people to get a general idea of it. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Typically people are very unprepared at TPAC and 
  people walk into the room to learn about something and didn't do 
  pre-reading. Over time we'll want to update primer, spec and have 
  use cases doc in respec but we're already too late for TPAC. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  That said, the stuff I'm sending out will just be 
  links so we can update in place as we have time. [scribe assist 
  by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  It does raise the question about handouts though... 
  typically frowned upon at TPAC because it feels like marketing. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  May be a discussion to be had there. [scribe assist 
  by Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes:  If anyone wants to work on Friday to do concept 
  maps of the DID primer or spec, whatever, I'd be happy to do 
  that. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes:  I will be at IIW, not TPAC. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes:  I've got, pretty much, the VC primer as a concept 
  now, from RWoT. But if people want to jump in for a couple hours 
  on Friday with me we can jointly create one for the DID primer. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Christopher Allen: I can’t Friday, but interested
Joe Andrieu:  That would be great, pretty cool bit of work that 
  Andrew started at RWoT. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Kaliya Young: My last name is Young!
Drummond Reed: What time?
Kaliya Young: Andrew I am also interested
Joe Andrieu:  Follow up with Drummond [and Kaliya], they are 
  interested. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Wednesday is an unconference format. An opportunity 
  to present panels on a variety of things. We propose things and 
  if we get a time slot of an hour. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  My idea, I ran this by Manu, and want to suggest to 
  everyone here, maybe do an hour talking about roadmap and getting 
  input on that. Here's where VCs are and where we hope DIDs are 
  but we know that doesn't solve the whole problem with identity 
  sharing online, what else is on the longer term horizon. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  If people want to jump on the queue and give 
  feedback on that. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes: The link to the Verifiable Credentials concept map 
  that Ouri and built is here: 
  https://kumu.io/andrewhughes3000/rwot
Drummond Reed:  What do we think is missing on the DID primer? 
  The spec hasn't really changed and the primer was updated for it. 
  I was curious folks thought was going to be missing but we're 
  moving onto another topic so don't have to cover that now. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Any note in particular, Christopher? [scribe assist 
  by Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes: We still have to reconcile the concept map against 
  the VC spec (this was built against the VC Primer) - but it’s 
  pretty good start
Christopher Allen:  More related to what people were saying at 
  RWoT, a lot of that stuff was about VC... it may be good enough. 
  Just raised as a question. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Andrew found some differences between the primer 
  and the spec. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes:  For VCs ... we may find the same thing with the 
  DID spec as we develop the concept out. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Drummond Reed:  Cool, depending on the time on Friday I'd love to 
  work on the concept map, those are fantastic. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Drummond Reed:  Will join if I can. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Andrew Hughes:  Will send a doodle out to the list. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Thanks. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Kim Hamilton Duffy: One thing we could audit in the DID primer is 
  whether there are legacy terms around "ownership" and "control"
Manu Sporny: +1 Kimhd
Joe Andrieu:  Sam's question was about how do we engage around 
  Solid and WebID and what's some of the history there and the 
  politics? [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Solid has been around for a while, WebID has been 
  around for much much longer, Digital Bazaar was actually the 
  first implementer of the WebID and wrote the first spec, wrote 
  the first implementation. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  About 10ish years ago. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  That work grew into what DIDs are today. We 
  abandoned WebID for a variety of scalability issues -- that is a 
  controversial statement. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Some people don't feel like that's the right 
  approach, they prefer a more Webby way of doing stuff vs. what 
  we're doing with DIDs. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  The Solid project is more of a cousin of the work 
  we're doing here -- personal data store and data locker, 
  philosophically aligned with what we're doing here. Tech stack is 
  a different, more semweb, utilizing WebID. Kayode [sp?] has been 
  in this group working on Solid. The devs who have worked on Solid 
  in the past know about the work we're doing here and we're trying 
  to align. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  The approach for Solid, please someone else jump in 
  if you don't think this is fair, but Solid's philosophy is to 
  build a generalized data store off of Web principles first and 
  people will come -- build it and they will come mentality. The 
  stuff we're doing in this community is more focused. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu: https://solid.inrupt.com/
Manu Sporny:  We're very focused on DIDs and VCs there's the 
  identity hub stuff that's going on. We're focused on very 
  specific techs and, in time, over 10 years, etc. these things 
  will converge. That's the hope. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Self-sovereign data stores will converge, etc but 
  it hasn't happened yet. People are asking about Solid because 
  during Tim's hiatus from W3C he raised funding and built a 
  company to work on this stuff and talked about Solid being a way 
  to redecentralize the Web. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/solid/solid-spec
Manu Sporny:  I think philosophically we're all aligned, but the 
  foundational techs there's a disconnect. We've tried to invite 
  the solid team in here many times but there's a desire to build a 
  solution out quickly and get it in front of people and then 
  standardize. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I'll stop there. I don't know if there are any 
  questions, but I'm also probably not well qualified to talk about 
  where Solid is going post funding. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Kaliya Young: That was a great summary Manu!
Joe Andrieu:  The WebID is basically a URL that resolves to a 
  profile. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  My read on it is that Solid could use DIDs and it 
  has a slightly different architecture. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Samantha Mathews Chase:  I didn't have a good feeling in my mind 
  about it and coming from the outside to this world and working on 
  the floor with Tim and then coming back ... I feel sick in my 
  stomach about it because it feels like totally messed up. I don't 
  feel aligned philosophically with someone who takes credit for 
  something so vast and is still the head of W3C. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Samantha Mathews Chase:  And if you aren't going to work through 
  your organization you shouldn't be the head of it. I don't know. 
  I'm trying to find ... someone wrote a nice thing, welcome to the 
  community but it's appalling that we can't work together. I've 
  refocused on things to work on things long term and 
  collaboratively and it doesn't seem right to see someone not 
  willing to collaborate be the head of a collaboration 
  organization. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I just wanted to point out that you may be reading 
  a bit too much into what the media has portrayed as going on. Tim 
  is incredibly collaborative, and while he's the Director of W3C, 
  those duties are delegated to W3C staff, Tim rarely steps in and 
  makes decisions, except in incredibly difficult decisions. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Encrypted media extensions was the last time I 
  think. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Tim has said publicly that there are large 
  companies in the W3C that drive the discussion. This isn't Tim 
  saying this but there are small companies that feel there is a 
  disturbing power dynamic between smaller companies and big 
  browser vendors -- the browser vendors get their way because they 
  implement. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  When in a WG there are highly funded 
  multinationals, etc. that are sitting at the same table as small 
  companies, startups, govts etc. and the outcomes are more driven 
  by implementation than social construct. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I believe Tim is taking the right approach, 
  building software and coming to the table with that software 
  because it gives you more leverage with WGs than just coming to 
  WGs with a number of concepts. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I think what you may not have seen over the 13-14 
  years, 1998 ...right after the first round of browser wars and 
  Tim was trying to collaborate doing SemWeb stuff and it was slog 
  to get that stuff out there and then it wasn't really picked up. 
  I think from a collaboration perspective he's doing the right 
  thing and you may be concerned about the right party. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I'm not defending Tim just saying that everything 
  I've seen him has been more aligned with how I believe you view 
  the world vs what you were just concerned about. [scribe assist 
  by Dave Longley]
Samantha Mathews Chase: Thanks for that manu
Samantha Mathews Chase: I appreciate the insight
Kaliya Young: Snapping fingers for what Kim is saying.
Kim Hamilton Duffy:  Not to take this on too much of tangent, but 
  one of the frustrations some members of our community have is 
  that certain people are viewed as legends who can do no wrong. 
  This perception of infallibility can cause damage for what we're 
  trying to accomplish and it's important to provide context. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Kim Hamilton Duffy:  Not that we need to call them out, but 
  instead to clarify and add context to ... everyone needs to work 
  together towards what we're trying to build. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  To provide further context, I think Tim is working 
  through the organization, and through our own leadership with Kim 
  and Manu they have their own startups and trying to make things 
  real and building your own business. I don't think those things 
  go naturally go hand in and that they are trying to do it is a 
  testament. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Samantha Mathews Chase: Great sentiments kim, i was most 
  uncomfortable with the stature and praise he so willingly takes 
  as his own genius, i know he's smart and collaborative but isn't 
  it time to teach system thinking? acknowledge the broader 
  initiative?
Christopher Allen:  I think Solid has deep roots in SemWeb stuff 
  that he's been trying to get into the world for a long time, when 
  did RDF start 15-20 years ago? And in many ways it still has deep 
  roots in that and that's perhaps where some differences are. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Christopher Allen:  How do we avoid landmines and stepping on 
  potential ally's feet and ways to draw them in and avoid making 
  statements that would make it difficult for them to come in? 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  This is about building bridges, I honestly think 
  that bridge is already built. They come to these meetings and we 
  can chat with Tim at TPAC about this but *please* don't corner 
  him. The best way to engage him isn't to rant at him. Much of 
  what is happening at Solid or W3C is out of his control and 
  that's a good thing. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  He truly does believe in consensus and 
  collaboration why W3C is structured the way it is. [scribe assist 
  by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  He rarely jumps in and tries to take stances on 
  things, Solid team knows we exist, they will engage us if they 
  see overlap, there are people currently working on that in this 
  community and if it will happen it will happen naturally and TPAC 
  is one place to move that discussion forward. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  If we see someone from the Solid team there, we 
  invite them to CCG, come into roadmap meeting, DID meetings, we 
  win hearts and minds of them just like everyone else, just takes 
  time. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Andrew Hughes: (DID Concept Map) - Doodle poll for a time on 
  Thursday or Friday this week: 
  https://doodle.com/poll/dt3hauzww8z5eh7r
Joe Andrieu:  I reasonate with the hearts and minds framing 
  rather than standards fight, right way to win. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  We have 10 mins left ... [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  I have a little bit about what we're working on, 
  some time on the DIDs and their value proposition and how they 
  fit into W3C related work and more than DIDs. That outline would 
  easily frame 2 hours, chairs would need to put something together 
  for that. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Any other info to put into the outline for the 
  presentation? [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Outside that session, we have something on Thursday 
  with the Web Commerce group, could you describe that, Manu? 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  We just need a slide deck, 15 minutes from the 
  chairs/anyone else that wants to present. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  The Web Commerce group at W3C keeps an eye on the 
  horizon on techs that enable people to engage economically on the 
  Web, web payments, VCs for over age of X, being able to prove you 
  live in a particular country, things of that nature. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  So Web Commerce is interested in VCs and DIDs and 
  Web payments and Digital Offers and that chunk of time would 
  cover a variety of those aspects. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Is that 15 mins for CCG? [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Yes, it's specifically DIDs. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Christopher Allen: What specifically can DIDs offer them that we 
  want to
Christopher Allen: …Emphasize?
Manu Sporny:  You can pepper other things in there, Matt Stone 
  and Dan Burnett will talk about VCs, CCG will talk about DIDs and 
  maybe some other things, will try to get Adam Powers to talk 
  about DID authentication, something else about smart contracts 
  that Allen Brown will talk, there will be 75 minutes for info for 
  people attending the Web Commerce meeting. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  We have a Monday deadline, chairs, to get our 15 
  minute presentation in. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Send to mailing list and I'll pick it up from 
  there. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  There are some slides from Nathan George and Manu, 
  if you can send those to me I can incorporate. [scribe assist by 
  Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  I think that's the CCG session, Wed, Thurs, 
  anything else? [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Other than VCWG... and AC lightning talk. Tzviya is 
  checking on this for us, she's on the advisory board for the W3C 
  and is chatting to give us 5 minutes for a pitch, a sales job, to 
  get W3C membership to get excited about DIDs, I can take that 
  session unless someone else wants to do a strong sales job on 
  DIDs. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  I'd be happy for you to take it but would like to 
  coordinate on it. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  If someone is great at sales please jump in. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  There's nothing going on in the evenings -- any 
  other groups to build relationships with? [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Manu Sporny:  I think we're covered, general thing is if you're 
  part of the CCG and you're there please represent the work we're 
  doing in conversations with everyone. There are plenty of 
  opportunities to get other W3C members excited about the work 
  we'ee doing here. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Are you sending out, unofficially the doc for DID 
  focal use cases? [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  Only for people asking, yes. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-wg-charter
Joe Andrieu:  I want to draw people's attention to the charter 
  and in particular, take a read, put some comments or issues in 
  because this will be the focus for a lot of folks -- "that's 
  interesting maybe I should support it". This is what people will 
  vote on it. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Drummond Reed: So the vote will not be until January?
Manu Sporny:  It's pretty mature, we're just getting ready to do 
  an informal socialization of the charter and you do that to catch 
  people who would object if it came to a vote -- doing that at 
  TPAC. Month later Redmond Strong AuthN workshop and then send it 
  out for a vote in January if there are no objections. 30 day open 
  vote and then we'll know if we have a WG at W3C for DIDs. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  We need to lock it down and be done with it. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Manu Sporny:  How long will the DID WG be chartered? [scribe 
  assist by Drummond Reed]
Joe Andrieu:  So people look at it, make issues, etc. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Drummond Reed:  More than likely it'll happen in January at the 
  earliest... we may be able to push it up to mid-December.
Joe Andrieu:  Your input will help make it better and more likely 
  to get it through the standards process. [scribe assist by Dave 
  Longley]
Drummond, 24 months...
Joe Andrieu: 
  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wz8sakevXzO2OSMP341w7M2LjAMZfEQaTQEm_AOs3_Q/edit?usp=sharing
Joe Andrieu:  The DID focal use cases I wish was further along 
  and in respec to share more widely but I did do the next chunk of 
  work on it and want feedback, this is an invitation for that. 
  [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Drummond Reed: Thanks. It's okay if it's January - It's going to 
  be a marathon, not a sprint ;-)
Awesome, love the "Needs map"!
Joe Andrieu:  I took the current focal use case doc and put it 
  into a needs map and broke down use cases into multiple domains. 
  Identified a few of the use cases that were safe to remove, but 
  out of time. [scribe assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  Please take a look -- I think it's obvious that the 
  removals got moved into something else or didn't need. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  I also tried to distill the names down into 2-3 
  words that were pithy/compelling. First stab to represent input 
  from everyone so far, you can comment in the Google doc directly 
  or on the mailing list, I welcome your feedback. [scribe assist 
  by Dave Longley]
Joe Andrieu:  That's it! [scribe assist by Dave Longley]

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