- From: <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:30:23 -0500
- To: Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Thanks to Heather Schlegel for scribing this week! The minutes
for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available:
https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2017-12-19/
Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).
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Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2018-12-19
Agenda:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2017Dec/0066.html
Topics:
1. Introductions and Reintroductions
2. Announcements and Status Updates
3. 2017 Year in Review
Action Items:
1. Manu to update CCG website with all 4 work items -- process,
3 registries (and create repos where none exist).
2. Joe & Lionel to chat about Privacy work
3. Chairs to decide if we need a Use Cases document for DIDs?
4. Chairs to explore screensharing for calls
5. Zach Larson to reach out re: hackathon
6. Chairs to advertise hackathon
7. Co-chairs need to put together page for hackathon
8. Manu to figure out Digital Bazaar participants of Hackathon
Organizer:
Joe Andrieu and Christopher Allen and Kim Hamilton Duffy
Scribe:
Heather Schlegel
Present:
Heather Schlegel, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Nate Otto, Ryan Grant, Joe
Andrieu, Drummond Reed, Manu Sporny, Chris Webber, Christopher
Allen, Dave Longley, Ted Thibodeau, Christian Lundkvist, Lionel
Wolberger, Dan Burnett, Frederico Sportini, John Jordan, Markus
Sabadello, Adrian Hope-Bailie, Heather Vescent, Zachary Larson,
David I. Lehn, David Chadwick, Mike Xu, Akila Natarajan
Audio:
https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2018-12-19/audio.ogg
Heather Schlegel is scribing.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: For reintro let's do Nate Otto
Topic: Introductions and Reintroductions
Nate Otto: Lead developer for Badger project for Concentric Sky,
re-engaging with the group after not being able to for some time,
glad to be participating again. I've also been very involved in
open badges.
Topic: Announcements and Status Updates
Ryan Grant: Someone means to be on mute, but is not
Announcements: No meeting next 2 weeks. 1st meeting is Jan 9.
Announcements: Virtual Hackathon coming up
Joe Andrieu: Want to get people to help engage technology
partners for Virtual Hackathon
Drummond Reed: I asked for clarification about two of the
registries
Manu Sporny: Make decision re: registry to adopt process & 3
registries. Update to Object Capabilities (Chris Webber)
Chris Webber: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/ld-ocap/
Chris Webber: Object capabilities document in good early shape.
Group needs to review & decide to take on as official work. Do we
want to vote now?
Christopher Allen: Not yet a formal work item, propose to
schedule it to discuss it being a work item in January.
Joe Andrieu: Registries work item? Are we formalizing today?
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Drummond had some questions (via email) and
wanted to hear more about two items.
Nate Otto: The other two items proposed were "Linked Data Key
Types, and Credential Status Method Registries"
Manu Sporny: Linked Data Key Types, is the registry to resolve
DID hardening spec stuff, key type expression, crypto suites, to
express cryptography suites/key suites.
Joe Andrieu: The proposal:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2017Dec/0020.html
Nate Otto: +1 To the name "Linked Data Key Types" - It's pretty
clear to me.
Drummond Reed: That's what I'm on the queue to ask about.
Manu Sporny: Credential Status Method Registries - w3c tpac,
came out of revocation discussion, this is more than revocation,
need to back up for all status, revocation is one status. To
express different status methods you have with a credential. So
far identified: list of credential status items posted somewhere
on the web, 2) blockchain based status method (none proposed yet)
Drummond Reed: Concerned with calling the registry Linked Data
Key Types, that because thought it meant something different.
Nate Otto: These are specific ways of describing keys in linked
data, as opposed to keys FOR signing linked Data particularly.
Maybe "Linked Data Key Classes"?
Dave Longley: All kinds of keys -- including how to represent
using Linked Data
Dave Longley: Decentralized key management key types?
Drummond Reed: +1 To that
Dave Longley: Kinda weird -- because they don't *have* to be used
in that manner.
Dave Longley: But more general.
Manu Sporny: Registries are unofficial, we can change the name.
Committing with the purpose of registry, not the name (name can
be changed). Re: Key Descriptions - open hostility to use this
terminology from other groups. To generalize outside of linked
data, need a different set of specs... we need to talk about
JWK/JOSE. This would be a new class of crypto suites. Concern
about generalizing too far.
Manu Sporny: I'd be happy w/ Decentralized Key Types? ... don't
know about "Management"...
Joe Andrieu: These are the 4 work items we want to agree to work
on.
Manu Sporny: 3 Registries, one process -- 4 work items.
Drummond Reed: OK, as long as we can discuss the name of the
work item.
Joe Andrieu: Reviewing the 4 work items (in the agenda)
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To that
Drummond Reed: +1 To approving those four work items
Manu Sporny: Or riding a horse on gravel.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To approving these 4 work items
Dave Longley: +1
Christopher Allen: +1
Ryan Grant: Manu, what is the voip-ccg mute capability?
Ted Thibodeau: +1
Heather Schlegel: +1
Chris Webber: +1
Christian Lundkvist: +1
Manu Sporny: +1 For approving 4 work items.
Christopher Allen: +1
Joe Andrieu: We have officially approved the 4 work items.
Drummond Reed: @Manu - I like "Decentralized Key Types"
ACTION: Manu to update CCG website with all 4 work items --
process, 3 registries (and create repos where none exist).
Manu Sporny: @Drummond - Ok, I'll rename the LD Key Types
registry to "Decentralized Key Types" ... which makes sense... we
assume they have links to other content (like who their owner is,
etc.)
Joe Andrieu:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fp7V3v1nBuhxTI55Al8KLG2kyxFthBz-Ush-ZL58KA/edit?usp=sharing
Joe Andrieu: (Template for DID spec proposals)
Drummond Reed: Update on DID Spec. Proceeding. Expect to get it
done soon.
Christian Lundkvist: "Decentralized key types" sounds kind of
strange, as if the keys are somehow decentralized.
Drummond Reed: Hmm, good point. Suggestions?
Lionel Wolberger: Offline checkin with JoeA
ACTION: Joe & Lionel to chat about Privacy work
Christian Lundkvist: Maybe similar to how we say "DID document"
we could say "DID key types" or something like that
Drummond Reed: +1 To "DID Key Types"
Dave Longley: -1 To DID Key Types... not specific to DIDs
Dave Longley: It's for applications to use ... where those keys
may be listed in a DID document, or elsewhere.
Drummond Reed: Hmmm, that's a good point too
Joe Andrieu: 2017 In review. Process - introducing the roadmap
concept. Before presenting 2018 roadmap, wanted to do a 2017 in
review.
Manu Sporny: CCGs numbers -
https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/participants
Drummond Reed: How about "DID Document Key Types"?
Dave Longley: You can put them in things other than DID
Documents, so i don't think that captures it or is too narrow
Dave Longley: Maybe we need to through in 'suite' somewhere and
just shorten it up
Manu Sporny: Community Group numbers: flattened out, not many
new members. Doing well on engagement. But haven't done a great
job recruiting new people in the group. Have we hit capacity?
Exhausted communities already involved? E.g. Lots of people from
Consensys. Working group has picked up a few new people, but need
more. Question for next year: what new venues should we go to
evangelize and engage people from those areas?
Dave Longley: Or 'key classes' or something.
Topic: 2017 Year in Review
Joe Andrieu: 123 Non chair participants. Transitioned from 2
community groups as VC became a working group.
Christian Lundkvist: Just "key types" seems to capture it, but
did that clash with JOSE?
Manu Sporny: +1 Hooray for new leadership and the pace at which
we're progressing!
Drummond Reed: Yes, +1 to that.
Christian Lundkvist: Maybe -- key descriptions/key descriptors
does clash ... "type" may be too general and cause a clash, so
doing "class" or something like that may help make it clear that
we're defining very specific bundled parameters. [scribe assist
by Dave Longley]
Drummond Reed: I agree with Joe that the growth in the number of
DID methods is a major sign of momentum.
Joe Andrieu: Successes: Adoption of DID draft spec. Number of
DID methods created by 3rd parties. Have 6 DID methods in
process/proposed from group members.
Drummond Reed: +10 To ICO FUD problem
Dave Longley: Details on success
Drummond Reed: Or better put, the "ICO hijacking" of SSI
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Plus several RSA Signature Suite 2017
implementations!
Manu Sporny: @Drummond - yeah, this group needs to figure out how
to deal w/ that...
Joe Andrieu: Amira is incoming.
Nate Otto: #Openwashing
Manu Sporny: Impressed with 2017 progress. Seeing ICOs launching
compatible, and they are closed, proprietary environments. As a
community need to deal with this. They are damaging our ability
to evangelize.
Dave Longley: Do we need a page where we list compatible
technologies?
Dan Burnett: Could develop certification program. Most industry
standards groups do such things.
Manu Sporny: @Burn, lightweight certification program would be:
"Do you pass the test suite"
Manu Sporny: Not that we have a test suite right now :)
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To more hackathons!
Frederico Sportini: +1
Christopher Allen: Appreciative of BTCR hackathon that resulted
in bringing code back into the community. We need more working
code and trying out new things.
Ryan Grant: +1
John Jordan: Unlikely public sector issuers, I would argue the
only legitimate issuer of identities would participate in a
closed identity ecosystem
Joe Andrieu: Yes, dlongley, we need something about listing
other sources. We don't have a use case doc for DIDs.
ACTION: Chairs to decide if we need a Use Cases document for
DIDs?
John Jordan: Hence, in Canada, DIACC role to establish a Pan
Canadian Trust Framework for Verified Person, Verifiable Org,
Verifiable Relationship
Lionel Wolberger: 1) Impressive when journalism was interested
in fake news/decoy news. Good job. 2) Shepherding streams of
selective disclosure and ...(trust?). This is going well with
Soverign.
Markus Sabadello: Appreciate the separate DID methods. Feedback
has been good to not be limited to one specific ledger. Looking
forward to contribute to code - resolver and registration.
Adrian Hope-Bailie: Highlight of 2017: the realization at RWoT
how aligned UMA (user managed access) work and DID/credentials
work (w3c). Doubling down to extend this in 2018.
Joe Andrieu: Asking for feedback. What went well? What can we
improve?
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To screensharing
Joe Andrieu: Drummond suggested screensharing.
ACTION: Chairs to explore screensharing for calls
Dave Longley: Essentially the extra calls are "task force calls"
Dave Longley: "Task forces" being common in other W3C groups
Joe Andrieu: Thanks, dlongley for the language
Manu Sporny: Re: screensharing --- please don't lose audio
recording capability in the process.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Yes
Manu Sporny: +1 To Rebooting the Web of Trust workshops playing a
big part in where things are today
Joe Andrieu: +1 To RWoT. It's why I'm here at all.
Christian Lundkvist: Credit goes to the RWoT workshops for
moving things forward. Thanks to ChristopherA for running those.
And Manu's work in W3C.
Heather Schlegel: +1 RWoT (why I am here too)
Markus Sabadello: +1 To RWoT... and IIW too
Manu Sporny: Yep, remember that IIW has been incubating lots of
these ideas for years... :)
Joe Andrieu: Propose 1st Tuesday of the month: Crypto Tuesday
and invite journalists to this meeting.
Heather Schlegel: I love hearing all of the feedback, positive
things that have happened - taking work happening here - all
behind the scenes stuff, and making it visible to the rest of the
world. [scribe assist by Manu Sporny]
Christopher Allen: I’d too love to see a regular monthly
cryptographer / security focus meeting
Heather Schlegel: I'm doing some work with ChristopherA for RWoT
- amplifying information that is happening here to larger
audiences... is there opportunity for material here? I translate
from complex tech stuff to general public, I can see a way to
help contribute to this community - bring more esoteric
discussions to a more non-technical / consumer audience. [scribe
assist by Manu Sporny]
Heather Schlegel: But we don't want to derail the work w/ a
bunch of journalistic questions - have a space for people to ask
questions, but the answers have to be at the level of
understanding for them - don't go down the rabbit hole. [scribe
assist by Manu Sporny]
Christopher Allen: There is also the question of 90 minute
meeting
Lionel Wolberger: Picking a theme for the "crypto tuesday" and
inviting people interested.
Christopher Allen: Proposing a 90 minute meeting.
Drummond Reed: +1 To 90 min calls to really get stuff done
Dan Burnett: Christopher, this is a great idea. The VCWG should
run 30 minutes later, but that would mean you needed to start an
hour later here :)
Joe Andrieu: Action?
Joe Andrieu: We will discuss 90 minute meeting in January.
Ryan Grant: Alternate proposal: longer meetings but fewer of
them, preserving minutes spent in meetings.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: +1 To @heathervescent's point. Communicating
at the level of understanding is critical for explaining
subtleties we described earlier, around self-sovereign imposters
Manu Sporny: Yes, +1 to @heathervescent - we need to communicate
this stuff to general public.
Heather Vescent: Exactly kimhd I was thinking of exactly that.
To help manage reputation.
Joe Andrieu: Asking for help w/ hackathon.
ACTION: Zach Larson to reach out re: hackathon
Christian Lundkvist: I have to drop off, thanks everyone!
ACTION: Chairs to advertise hackathon
Zachary Larson: Do we have a link/material on the hackathon that
I can share/promote?
ACTION: Co-chairs need to put together page for hackathon
Manu Sporny: Planning on Digital Bazaar being there.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: @ZacharyL not yet, but we should soon
Nate Otto: Could I get more information on "being there"? Is this
an in-person event, online, decentralized?
ACTION: Manu to figure out Digital Bazaar participants of
Hackathon
Drummond Reed: When is the hackathon?
Kim Hamilton Duffy: Sorry, have to leave
Ryan Grant: January
Drummond Reed: Thanks - can someone send an email to the list
with full info about the hackathon?
Dave Longley: Week of January 15th, online.
Drummond Reed: Gotta run, thanks to all, bye
Joe Andrieu: Thanks for a great year!
Nate Otto: I'll potentially participate. I have use cases for
DIDs!
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