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Verifiable Claims Telecon Minutes for 2017-05-09

From: <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 15:46:34 -0400
Message-Id: <1494359194445.0.17757@zoe>
To: Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Thanks to Matt Stone for scribing this week! The minutes
for this week's Verifiable Claims telecon are now available:


Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).

Verifiable Claims Telecon Minutes for 2017-05-09

  1. Agenda Review and Introductions
  2. WG Document Handoff
  3. Joining the VCWG
  4. Reminder: this is last CG call at this time
  5. Open Mic / Community Group Next Steps
  6. CG and WG call next week
Action Items:
  1. burn to be the chair to work though the publishing process 
    with manu help
  Manu Sporny
  Matt Stone
  Matt Stone, Dan Burnett, Manu Sporny, Joe Andrieu, Christopher 
  Allen, Gregg Kellogg, Dave Longley, Adam Migus, Adam Lake, Rob 
  Trainer, Colleen Kennedy, Matthew Larson, David I. Lehn

Topic: Agenda Review and Introductions

Matt Stone is scribing.
Agenda, no change
New Members, none

Topic: WG Document Handoff

Dan Burnett: [1] Verifiable Claims Use Cases (CG Final Report) 
Dan Burnett: [2] Verifiable Claims Data Model and Representations 
  (CG Final Report) 
Dan Burnett:  No response on the final documents
Manu Sporny:  Published the docuements via minutes last week.  we 
  have not objections to date
Manu Sporny:  Chairs could use the spec publishing link to 
Manu Sporny: The Chairs will use the following link to publish 
  the FCGS: https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/spec/publish

ACTION: burn to be the chair to work though the publishing 
  process with manu help

Manu still planning to work w/ contributors to release the final 

Topic: Joining the VCWG

Dan Burnett: Charter join link is here: 
Dan Burnett:  Please join the Verifiable Claims Working Group if 
  you plan to participate.  This is required to get details for 
  dial-in etc.
Manu Sporny:  Calling out any particpants of this call who aren't 
Manu Sporny:  Colleen kennedy, matt larson, work with stonematt 
  to get on the WG
Joe Andrieu:  Just submitted the request
Manu Sporny:  If you aren't a member, there is an application for 
  "Invited experts" that the chairs will ultimately accept
Manu Sporny:  Expectation is that the invited expert has a 
  special skill that the group wants or needs
Dan Burnett: Invited expert page:  
Dan Burnett:  Other comments?

Topic: Reminder: this is last CG call at this time

Dan Burnett:  Next week the dial-in information will be 
Christopher Allen: Doesn't the email list change as well?
Manu Sporny: Yes, it does
Dan Burnett:  Chairs will send dialin info to the WG email group.
Manu Sporny: Old one stays around, though... for the CG to use.
Manu cries 1,000 tears as we transition over to WebEx.
Christopher Allen: -1 Uggh.
Gregg Kellogg: DCMI has moved from WebEx to Zoom.
Logging general discontent re: loss of IRC/SIP

Topic: Open Mic / Community Group Next Steps

WG chairs have completed tasks necessary to transistion.  handing 
  off to manu for Open Mic
Manu Sporny:  Use Open Mic to discus several items - first up New 
Manu Sporny:  Ack ChristopherA for raising his hand for 
  volunteering to be CG chair
Manu Sporny:  Have also chatting with Kim Hamilton with BlockCert 
  and Learning Machine - she's interested in co-chairing
Manu Sporny:  Kim not present today b/c at an event
Manu Sporny:  Have 2, this is an open call for chairs.  If we get 
  more than 3, we'll have to elect.  open call will stay active 
  through the week
Manu Sporny:  Unless others volunteer, new chairs will be 
  ChristopherA and Kim
Christopher Allen:  I'm enthusiastic about the broader problem - 
  particularly the discussion about "what is the broader problem?"
Manu Sporny:  Tackle scope last....
Manu Sporny:  Poll sent out last night about meeting times for CG
Manu Sporny:  General desire is to have CG call adjacent to WG 
  (before or after).
Manu Sporny: Poll to meeting times: 
Manu Sporny:  Please complete the poll, if you have an opinion
Dan Burnett:  Suggest keeping WG time as is
Christopher Allen:  Both Kim and I prefer the later time
Matt Stone:  There wasnt' a vote option for "either works" - 
  should we add that?
Matt Stone:  Noticed a couple chose both, but, that's not 
Manu Sporny:  If it's even it's the chairs perogative
Manu Sporny:  Reminder that WG charter is datamodel and syntax - 
  NOT protocol
Manu Sporny:  There are those of us in CG that need protocol
Dave Longley: +1 As protocols and web browser APIs/polyfills and 
  so forth are out of scope for the WG ... we definitely want it in 
  scope for the CG.
Matt Stone: +1 For protocols
Christopher Allen:  Original CG charter - discuss, research, 
  prototype and test credential storage for the web....
Christopher Allen:  We should take advantage of what the CG can 
  to do publish reports, etc.
Christopher Allen:  What is selective disclosure... latest that 
  crypto community offerings, etc
Christopher Allen:  Incubate mechanisms to exchange claims
Christopher Allen:  If something matures, may submit it to WG for 
Christopher Allen:  RWoT has DID work that doesn't have a home 
  right now.
Manu Sporny:  We've worked hard to create a technology funnel.  
  right now, have people working on bleeding edge at places like 
  RWoT some of which comes into the CG, build support for the work, 
  eventually matures to a WG
Manu Sporny:  Could see this work to continue for the next couple 
  of year
Manu Sporny:  Presume the next CG work becomes WG 2.0 - continue 
  the funnel.
Manu Sporny:  Also have a number of digital signature formats.  
  we're using them in implementations but WG isn't chartered to 
  ratify them
Manu Sporny:  Digital Bazaar believes DID is critical to portable 
Manu Sporny:  A detail of DID is that they kindof/sortof require 
  blockchain...  we'll need to bring blockchain into this 
  discussion more.
Christopher Allen:   I bring is clarity on security and crypto 
  aspects.  Kim is a coder, we need active working code.  would 
  like to see more prototypes, examples, etc
Christopher Allen: Me too.
Dave Longley:  Largely in agreement - would like some browser 
  poly-fill work done quickly - important for adoption
Christopher Allen: Poly-fill is also absolutey w3c
Joe Andrieu:  Like everthing that's been said.  i joined because 
  i want to give everyone on the planet a legal identity by 2030 - 
  wondering where this fits
Manu Sporny:  "It's in scope when people work on it"
Christopher Allen: +1 UN 16.9
Dave Longley: Another item related to protocol/polyfill: a query 
  language for asking for certain types of claims
Joe Andrieu:  Want to be sensitive to the pipeline
Dan Burnett: Yeah I thought one of the advantages of verifiable 
  claims was that we didn't have to require identity, only 
Christopher Allen:  Recognize there is political sensitivity 
  about this sort of language.  in our scope to communicate more 
  effectively about what we mean when we say identity
Manu Sporny:  Responding to JoeAndrieu - having pet issues is 
  fine.  especially when it results in a rich ecosystem of 
Manu Sporny:  There may not be a standard for UN 16.9, but we can 
  make technology that supports that
Adam Migus: +1 To manu's comment about making sure that the 
  charter and work *support* your pet idea as the best way to 
  ensure it's tackled
Manu Sporny:  Need to declare to what's NOT in scope.  Identity 
  (capital I) is not in scope - too esoteric...
Manu Sporny:  We can create technology to solve identity 
  problems, but we're not the Identity Working Group
Dave Longley: +1 Important to keep in mind w3c politics :)
Adam Migus: +1 To that too :-)
Dan Burnett: Yes, not just w3c.  The world disagrees on identity 
  as well
Manu Sporny:  Should review the CG group name.
Adam Migus: Yep!
Dan Burnett: Naming = bike shed topic ("what color should we 
  paint the bike shed?")
Manu Sporny:  As we recharter - it's inevitable that we want to 
  update name
Manu Sporny:  Name change may be difficult logistically
Gregg Kellogg:  Publishing documents often means the CG is 
Dave Longley: Voip-vctf: 47f is Christopher Allen
Manu Sporny:  Logistically spinning down one group and spinning 
  up the next requires everyone to rejoin the new group.  loose 
  people that way
Dan Burnett: Yes, better to keep the existing group (and name, if 
  necessary) than try to start a new CG
Matt Stone: -1 To starting a new group
Dan Burnett: W3C doesn't care too much about naming of CGs
Dan Burnett: Only WGs
Dave Longley:  Probably not worth replacing the group w/ the same 
  people working on generally the same issues isn't worth it

Topic: CG and WG call next week

Dan Burnett:  We'll announce times this Friday. chairs of WG 
  still intend to be involved in the CG. WG call is 11am ET on 
Dan Burnett:  Thanks to manu for work to date
Dan Burnett:  Adjourn.
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