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Re: Terminology poll

From: Joe Andrieu <joe@joeandrieu.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:06:21 -0400
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On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, at 06:59 PM, David Chadwick wrote:
> Wouldnt this be solved by calling VCs verifiable credentials
> rather than> claims and removing the word claim from our vocabulary.

+ to "Issuers create credentials" which contain verifiable claims. 

That feeds the downstream: 
* claimants use claims by bundling them into entity profiles, 
* then claimants claim the benefits of said claims by presenting entity
  profiles to inspectors/verifiers/relying-parties.
What is "verifiable" however is still the claim: issued by issuers,
verified by inspectors/verifiers/relying-parties.
So -1 for changing VCs to verifiable credentials.

-j

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, at 06:59 PM, David Chadwick wrote:
> Wouldnt this be solved by calling VCs verifiable credentials
> rather than> claims and removing the word claim from our vocabulary.
> 
> regards
> 
> David
> 
> On 26/06/2017 23:33, Steven Rowat wrote:
>> On 2017-06-26 3:00 PM, David Chadwick wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 26/06/2017 16:59, Dave Longley wrote:
>>>> A potential problem with claimant is that the entity that actually
>>>> makes>>>> the claim is the issuer.
>>> 
>>> You are misinterpreting the word 'makes' in your sentence above.
>>> In the>>> various dictionary definitions of claimant, 'makes a claim' is
>>> used to>>> denote 'asking for something', not 'manufacturing' or 'producing' a>>> claim, which is your semantic
>> 
>> 
>> I believe that in both this and your accompanying email, David,
>> with the>> definitions of 'claimant' showing that this can't be the person who
>> actually produces the claim, you are correct.
>> 
>> But I believe the problem with using 'Claimant', capital 'C', in the>> 'Holder/Presenter...' role is that there is already, unless we change>> this too, a Claim, capital 'C', that **is** produced by the Issuer.
>> 
>> If we used 'Claimant', then we'd be in the position of having:
>> Person A, the Claimant, 'makes a claim' that the Claim made by the
>> Issuer is correct.
>> 
>> If would force us to have 'making a claim' (colloquially) apply
>> to both>> roles.
>> 
>> That seems an unavoidable byproduct of having the official word
>> 'Claim'>> for what's being produced by the Issuer.
>> 
>> I believe this would cause unnecessary confusion and should be
>> avoided.>> 
>> Steven
>> 
>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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