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Re: Verifiable Claims Telecon Minutes for 2016-11-29

From: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:47:30 -0800
To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" <rse@rfc-editor.org>, public-credentials@w3.org
Message-ID: <6c2ffa95-9ece-6b8a-a658-e0ee3b9ff3d4@sunshine.net>
On 11/29/16 12:30 PM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote:
> On 11/29/16 12:18 PM, Steven Rowat wrote:
>> On 11/29/16 9:32 AM, msporny@digitalbazaar.com wrote:
>>> Thanks to Manu Sporny for scribing this week! The minutes for this
>>>  week's Verifiable Claims telecon are now available:
>> ...
>>> Shane McCarron: Here are some dpub use cases:
>>> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-ucr/index.html
>> I'd like to note that after scanning through the above link to "Web
>> Publications..." that even though there are, it's true, many rich
>> use-cases, the large majority of the effort in the document is for the
>> benefit of large publishing entities. Perhaps that's not surprising,
>> since an Adobe employee is one of the Editors.
>> For example, the first set of usage cases given in section 2.1.1, concern
>> only three:
>>    •" A large, multidisciplinary, Web-based journal...
>>    • " Educational publications...
>>    • " BigBoxCo, a large technology company with extensive “in-house”
>> documentation... "
>> This quote from section 3.2 is representative:
>> "Req. 19: The distribution of Packaged Web Publications should respect
>> the existing processes and expectations of professional publishing
>> channels as well as ad-hoc methods of distribution (eg. email). "
>> There is little mention of Authors, and no mention of needing to trust
>> them.
>> In terms of Verifiable Claims, they give only a single use
>> case under "3.5.2 Authenticity—Origin of a Publication", for a Lawyer
>> needing to trust "LegalPublisher Ltd."
>> I think that's because their focus, appropriately enough since it's
>> titled "Web Publications Use Cases and Requirements", is on
>> Publishers. And in the corporate silo publishers' model, you trust the
>> silo (whether it is Fox News or Penguin Books or the Guardian).
>> But if Authors can be Verified and distributed individually through
>> the Internet, and paid for their work, to what extent will
>> traditional, as the above document puts it, "existing processes and
>> expectations of professional publishing channels" be necessary?
>> Nobody knows.  :-)
> De-lurking for a moment...
> If you'd be willing to note something to this effect in the issues list,
> I know we'd really appreciate the feedback!
> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/issues
> -Heather Flanagan
> (one of the editors)

I have no trouble with you summarizing or quoting the post whole if 
you want to open an issue there, but unfortunately I'm overextended 
and having trouble keeping up with even the VC work at present. If I 
opened an issue somewhere else I'd feel a need to get involved in 
following what happens there, and I don't feel I can do that justice 
at the moment.

Steven Rowat
Received on Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:48:02 UTC

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