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RE: Alternative terminology for "consumer"

From: <Joerg.Heuer@telekom.de>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:30:33 +0200
To: <shane@spec-ops.io>, <eric.korb@accreditrust.com>
CC: <rvarn@ets.org>, <dlongley@digitalbazaar.com>, <kerri@openworksgrp.com>, <public-credentials@w3.org>
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Hi

What was the problem with ‘Relying Party’ again?
It’s well-established in the identity community… and it doesn’t imply that what was consumed will be gone afterwards.

(Sorry if I have not followed all of the discussion’s turns… feel free to ignore if these arguments have been discussed and omitted for good reasons.)

Jörg

From: Shane McCarron [mailto:shane@spec-ops.io]
Sent: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 19:24
To: Eric Korb
Cc: Varn, Richard J; Dave Longley; Kerri Lemoie; Credentials CG
Subject: Re: Alternative terminology for "consumer"

Eric,

I actually meant "consumer" as in someone who purchasing something.  In a financial transaction (e.g., purchasing from wine.com<http://wine.com>) I am the consumer of the wine (eventually!) and wine.com<http://wine.com> is the consumer of my credential.  But I think that is okay.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Eric Korb <eric.korb@accreditrust.com<mailto:eric.korb@accreditrust.com>> wrote:
+1 Shane I think it works perfect for financial...in finance when we consume something, we are acquiring something.  In our case, we are acquiring the credential metadata.


On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io<mailto:shane@spec-ops.io>> wrote:
Yeah - I think consumer is the appropriate generic term.  It is unfortunate that it has a conflicting meaning in the financial space...

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Eric Korb <eric.korb@accreditrust.com<mailto:eric.korb@accreditrust.com>> wrote:
I'm still on board for "consumer" - if you are viewing, processing, loading in, making a decision upon, etc. of a credential,  your are _consuming_ it in one way or another.  The consumer is a 3rd party - who has may have no formal tie to the issuer or holder of the credential - it can be a machine, an app, or a person (a "decision maker").

Eric


On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Varn, Richard J <rvarn@ets.org<mailto:rvarn@ets.org>> wrote:
Right, but the entity using the claim does not verify, authenticate, or approve the claim--they use it for some process or purpose and the purpose is a gatekeeper function. I think gatekeeper, especially when pared with function, has drifted from a military context and it's a fairly unique phrase without any generic synonyms except the pretty obscure "ostiary." I have no firm position or dog in this discussion, licensed or otherwise holding any dog credentials, just thinking.

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> On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Dave Longley <dlongley@digitalbazaar.com<mailto:dlongley@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 03/31/2016 11:28 AM, Varn, Richard J wrote:
>> I had one additional thought about the consumer of claims. It
>> strikes me that the role they are actually playing is gatekeeper. I
>> got to this after thinking about the various processes in which
>> claims are used and the reason that someone wants your claim/s is to
>> evaluate it/them in a context. If the evaluation finds the claims
>> and attendant and other sources of evidence sufficient, you get a
>> chance at an opportunity, access to something, a permission, a
>> benefit, and so on. I am not sure gatekeeper is the best word but
>> wanted to share the line of thinking and see how it may help.
>
> I've had a similar thought, (with terms like "gatekeeper", "guard",
> "sentinel", etc.) but felt it seemed those terms or many like it had too
> many negative or militaristic connotations. That concept is where the
> friendlier "approver" term came from. "Verifier" and "authenticator" are
> in a similar vein.
>
>
> --
> Dave Longley
> CTO
> Digital Bazaar, Inc.
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