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Re: Comments on draft charter [Was: Agenda: Verifiable Claims Teleconference - Tuesday, March 8th 2016]

From: Stone, Matt <matt.stone@pearson.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:19:01 -0700
Message-ID: <CA+w1=RTky17UEDNAeJV-MaQGwZkM+5C=VKm+jMHpBG4aDMZDKw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Eric Korb <eric.korb@accreditrust.com>
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>, Web Payments IG <public-webpayments-ig@w3.org>, Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
+1 for casting goals with a positive outcome -- "improve" is almost always
better than "reduce" but...

these are good generalized goals, but they don't serve the problem
statements. - fraud and identity theft is not in our problem statement, why
would we have a goal about it?  The goals we're pursuing need to address
the problems we're identifying.

can we make a goal like
- set the foundation for uniform access and share-ability of claims by
providing a standards driven, extensible data model for claim data

is there a way assert some kind of evidence of success of the goals we
express?

section 3.2: obviously in "Security is obviously critical"
​ sounds condescending

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Matt Stone
501-291-1599


On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Eric Korb <eric.korb@accreditrust.com>
wrote:

> Here are my suggestions:
>
> In Goals 2.0
>
>
>>    - Reducing online fraud, such as identity theft, by establishing a
>>    standard way to cryptographically verify 3rd party claims.
>>
>>
>>    - Reduced operating costs for verifiable claim issuers and inspectors
>>    as a result of a common set of technology for expressing and verifying
>>    claims.
>>
>> I suggest that using "reducing" doesn't always imply the
> right connotation.  Perhaps we can turn these goals around to say something
> like:
>
> "Improve detection of fraud,..."
> "Improve operational efficiency..."
>
> Generally, I think we need to state that our goal is to provide an implied
> benefit to all stakeholders: issuers, holders and consumers.  I think the
> tone we have is bit 1-sided - benefits to consumer only.  For example:
> Issuers want to protect their reputation, holders want to ensure their
> credentials are protected, and the consumers what to be confident in their
> decisions.
>
> Lastly, in a previous comment, I suggested that we call out the need for
> internationalization.  I believe there was support for the idea.  Can we
> add words that address "decentralized and extensible vocabularies with
> built-in internationalization"?
>
> Eric
>
>
> <https://mail.google.com/>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/07/2016 11:17 PM, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>> > Here are some comments on the draft charter [1]. [1]
>> > http://w3c.github.io/vctf/charter/proposal.html
>>
>> Thanks for the input, Ian. I'm just getting around to processing your
>> feedback now. I've migrated the VCTF draft charter to its new home in
>> the WPIG here:
>>
>> http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/vcwg-draft.html
>>
>> > * The section titled “Goals” does not really express any goals. I
>> > think it’s important to state them clearly.
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8
>>
>> There are now a real set of goals listed:
>>
>> http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/vcwg-draft.html#goals
>>
>> > I also suggest deleting the first paragraph or moving to the ‘About
>> > this charter” section.
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8
>>
>> The paragraph has been moved to the 'About this charter' section.
>>
>> > * "The findings suggest that there is consensus to address a
>> > @@@narrow set of use cases@@@“ I believe that is a contentious
>> > statement and suggest that it be replace by:
>> >
>> > “The Web Payments Interest Group recommended that the task force
>> > draft a charter to determine whether there is consensus within the
>> > community (including those interviewed) for the scope of work.
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8
>>
>> > * I think you can delete "Development of this charter was supported
>> > in part by the European Union's 7th Research Framework Programme
>> > (FP7/ 2013-2015) under grant agreement nº611327 - HTML5 Apps.”
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8
>>
>> -- manu
>>
>> --
>> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> blog: Web Payments: The Architect, the Sage, and the Moral Voice
>> https://manu.sporny.org/2015/payments-collaboration/
>>
>>
>
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