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Re: Payments activity - any point to our time and effort?

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 15:49:04 +0000
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To: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>, W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
Pic, I hope people don't mind me posted...

These are serious issues that I do not believe are being considered
seriously. I believe these are choices that will impact the future of
communications, economy, law and broader systems throughout our world. Yet,
the desire appears to be to ensure less than a handful of legal entities be
made controllers for everything on the planet.

If that is the determination, then let's get onto it. I think they want the
worlds data funnelled into their A.I. Systems and if we are effectively
slaves, without hope for independent identities, self determination, et.al.
Well, then let's not argue, let's just start doing something more positive
with our time.

What I struggle with is such significant investments of time and effort to
see myself and others treated so very poorly, they'd be better off doing
almost anything else. Slaves were fed, some agents appear to believe in
more 'efficient' means of obtaining cheap energy, and if that's not going
to change or be provided an opportunity to be examined, then well... I hear
some parts of Asia are very cheap to live in. Could do a few basic sites
and live happily, not wasting my time or that of others.

I've forwarded that wonderful outline of how the browser companies can be
influenced to WebID stakeholders, because whilst TimBL is involved
personally with that work. They've had enormous trouble getting a
reasonable user experience. I hope their delighted by the opportunity
that's seemingly been presented (as an accountable defence for a problem
that apparently doesn't exist...)

We're along way away from having something that's awesome. If we do not
have the means for carriage of these works, we could be contributing
towards some very bad outcomes, much worse than those today without greater
tools for those actors who are dangerous.

I've not seen many homeless people damage many others, usually only
themselves. Yet, they've got a very different perceived social standing
than others driving nice cars, upon the misery of so many. Whether it be
prostitution, broken homes, broken promises, legal strategies or the myriad
of other things utilised by those with wealth.

Do we have any intention to help vulnerable people present their problems
to a court of law, enhancing their accessibility to access to justice

Or is that just so way outta scope by those who influence the delivery of
this work that well, that recent letter from the San Fran tech worker about
the homeless in sanfran, I didn't understand. It was an act of kindness,
perhaps even if it made them refugees...

Very Troubled.

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 at 2:30 AM, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>

> Given the logic, maybe trump is the answer...
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 at 2:26 AM, Anders Rundgren <
> anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-03-04 16:17, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> > Well China has a different system of government. I wonder how they
>> treat people who contribute.
>> Unfortunately the problem is that the world at large seems unaware of
>> that Google is
>> a kind of company we have never seen before.  That is, in the old world
>> people are
>> referring to their boss when it comes to decisions.  I have never heard
>> any of
>> the W3C Googlers do that and they don't have titles like "VP of SW
>> engineering".
>> China still has a (theoretical) chance.
>> Anders
>> >
>> > Don't think we need a Magna Carta for the web, or a earth passport. We
>> need apple and the others to start issuing them, I'm sure they'll be able
>> to update the readers, after all, court orders - meh, design software that
>> invalidates the requests and squash the alternatives...
>> >
>> > New world order. Only $899 for the updated deluxe appendage, and after
>> $40pcm, your able to start thinking about the human rights of children or
>> whatever you think is important.
>> >
>> > So very, very frustrated.
>> >
>> > Anders, always good to chat. Don't always agree, but have always
>> considered you a contributor.
>> >
>> > Timh.
>> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 at 2:10 AM, Anders Rundgren <
>> anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     On 2016-03-04 15:30, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> >>     I've been reading this:
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2016Feb/0527.html
>> Is our work valuable at all or is this some sick joke that looks like Wall
>> Street Execs vs. the concept of law and such things for the billions of
>> other humans around the planet...? After reading this, I have severe
>> concerns about the viability of building anything meaningful here. I think
>> that should be made clear. W3C was established due to issues that emerged
>> sometime ago. New issues threaten humanity as is influenced specifically by
>> web standards. Their are a number of very troubling problems here, and I
>> fully support Manu, who's work has brought all this together and to suggest
>> otherwise is an act of horrific behaviour I very much doubt they'd want
>> subject to accountability, as such, What are we doing here? Timh.
>> >
>> >     Well, there are reasons to why (for example) 1B+ secure payment
>> cards never did make it to the Web.
>> >
>> >     Regarding the more technical aspects of this work I find it
>> slightly amusing that when I suggested enhancing the interface between the
>> Web and App worlds, it was either met with dead silence or with statements
>> that indirectly suggested that I'm a charlatan. When Google did the same
>> (but much less universal) proposal everybody listened and nobody complained.
>> >
>> >     These are the realities.
>> >
>> >     Not even China with their millions of engineers and leading
>> production of devices can do anything about Google's dominance in Web and
>> mobile phone technology!
>> >
>> >
>> >     Anders
>> >

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