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Re: Re: Web Payments IG approves Verifiable Claims to proceed to W3C Management

From: Adler, Patrick <patrick.adler@chi.frb.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:32:17 +0000
To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, Web Payments IG <public-webpayments-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <E1bNlRG-0004vV-H4@lisa.w3.org>
Hi All, 

Iąd like to second Chaalsą comment that narrowing the charter to
educational use cases is a very bad idea and would limit the utility of
the Verifiable Claims work.  Given that the verifiable claims concepts
could easily be leveraged in financial, health and other public service
industries, it would create an un-neccesary silo to limit it to
educational use only.  Additionally, this would likely cause other efforts
in the payments space to have to figure out how to proceed without this
key building block, which could also make other work the W3C is
undertaking such as commercial, loyalty and discount use cases more
difficult to standardize.  It is critical that claims be portable across
industry verticals if standardized, and for that reason I do not support
narrowing the scope of the charter to a single industries need.

Best, 

Pat

On 7/14/16, 12:37 PM, "Manu Sporny" <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:

>On 07/14/2016 06:59 AM, Chaals McCathie Nevile wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 19:31:13 +0200, Manu Sporny
>> <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> We know of the following modification requests to the charter:
>>> 
>>> 1. Constrain the charter to Education only.
>> 
>> This strikes me as a very bad idea.
>
>There is consensus within the Verifiable Claims Task Force and the
>Credentials Community Group that this would be a very bad idea.
>
>The organizations that have objected to the current charter proposal are
>the ones that are requesting that the scope is narrowed. I'll also note
>that these organizations are not active participants in the Verifiable
>Claims Task Force, Credentials Community Group, and the Web Payments IG.
>
>>> 2. Demonstrate that the charter is not competitive to JSON Object
>>> Signing and Encryption Web Tokens (JOSE JWT).
>> 
>> Why is this important?
>
>There is a mistaken assumption that the Verifiable Claims work is
>competitive to the JOSE JWT work.
>
>The reality is that the Verifiable Claims work provides the option of
>using JOSE JWT and includes an example in the specification itself
>(scroll down to Example 4 here):
>
>http://opencreds.org/specs/source/claims-data-model/#expressing-entity-cre
>dentials-in-json
>
>>> 1. Determine if we want to constrain the charter to Education
>>> only.
>> 
>> At this stage I am opposed to such a constraint. To the extent that
>> I would strongly consider a formal AC objection to it in a charter
>> review.
>
>Thanks for the heads-up on that Chaals. I'll note that it was the Web
>Payments Interest Group members that voted to send the charter to W3M
>for approval and that 61 company group is not largely composed of
>education companies. I would expect a number of them to have the same
>reaction that you did if the charter were constrained to addressing
>education-only use cases.
>
>-- manu
>
>-- 
>Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>blog: The Web Browser API Incubation Anti-Pattern
>http://manu.sporny.org/2016/browser-api-incubation-antipattern/
>



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