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Re: Egypt joins Nigeria in using association branded national ID card

From: Erik Ros <mail@erikros.me>
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 11:28:43 +0000
Message-ID: <54FAE0EB.6070608@erikros.me>
To: Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>
CC: W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, davidnicol@gmail.com
Hi Adrian,

indeed, my apologies for the confusion. I still fail to see the added 
value. What synergy is achieved? a synergy between government and big 
business? What is in it for the people?

Perhaps some use cases could clarify?

kind regards,

Erik

On 07-03-15 11:15, Adrian Hope-Bailie wrote:
> Hi Erik,
>
> I think you meant to direct your comment to David?
>
> I would agree with you and add the following from my personal position:
>
> I live in a country where government tenders are almost always 
> shrouded in some level of controversy.
> When an international commercial organisation is awarded (direct or 
> indirect) control of a government institution it makes me very nervous.
> After the deal is done and the government ID running payment 
> applications that are subject to some commercial entity's rules it's 
> very hard to go back.
>
> I would agree with David that having a government ID that is also a 
> payment instrument is an excellent synergy but would prefer that this 
> was through some government/central bank controlled (or better 
> independant and decentralized) proxy to the commercial payments providers.
>
> Adrian
>
>
> On 7 March 2015 at 00:15, Erik Ros <mail@erikros.me 
> <mailto:mail@erikros.me>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Adrian,
>
>     you ask why not, the answer to that would have to be:
>
>     because it is a cluttering of power. We want power to be divided
>     as equally as possible over as many people as possible (IMO).
>
>     I would like take my remark to a broader point. I think the
>     specifications that are being created should valour de-centrality
>     (the primary success factor of the internet). We shouldn't need
>     the government, or a credit card company to make and economic
>     exchange.
>
>     We could do without this dependency. Perhaps we should have open
>     source exchange providers?..
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     Erik
>
>
>     On 06-03-15 21:10, David Nicol wrote:
>>
>>     On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Adrian Hope-Bailie
>>     <adrian@hopebailie.com <mailto:adrian@hopebailie.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I don't think this is a very encouraging trend:
>>         http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=27066
>>
>>
>>     Why not? Aside from surveillance and monopoly concerns that are
>>     actually there even without making a government-issued ID card a
>>     payment instrument, it's excellent synergy. At least
>>     its a bearer instrument and not a bar code tattoo!
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     There is a lot more low hanging fruit when you're tall.
>
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