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Re: Cool and casual credentials initiative

From: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 08:39:00 +0800
Message-ID: <CAM7BtUpw5GF67KXJwn4c8F3pQ6gbR3+zAXxG-_S6-ry2BA0u2Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Cc: Erik Ros <mail@erikros.me>, W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On 9 June 2015 at 01:05, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
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>>> On 9 June 2015 at 00:32, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> fwiw
>>>>
>>>> https://keybase.io/pindar
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice, you may also be interested in onename e.g.:
>>>
>>> https://onename.com/chrisellis
>>>
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>>> Also cointains a PGP key, but they have said they may be interested in
>>> implementing linked data, in particularl, webid.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately it's also proprietary.  I'd love to see a free software
>>> solution like this, that also includes web standards.
>>>
>>
>> I fully agreed!
>>
>> I'm of the view that the blockchain-related community may be suffering
>> from the 'galapagos syndrome.'
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal%C3%A1pagos_syndrome> and could learn
>> alot from both Web and IETF standards. In fairness, the group is only 6
>> years old and we could find a better way to work together somehow. Perhaps
>> by individual participation first and experience sharing where relevant
>> (e.g. perhaps adopting a 'multi-stakeholder' approach in their ecosystem
>> build). That said the energy in the disparate communities appears to me to
>> be *amazing* -- both fresh and exciting... reminds me of the early days of
>> the Internet where innovation appears to be happening *faster* (if only
>> because we have the Internet to build on).
>>
>
> Yes, it takes time to understand what web standards offer.  I spoke to
> slush from satoshi labs and he said that only after building mytrezor
> website did the advantages of the web become more apparent.  Even among
> people who want to follow standards, interop is hard.  Having spent the
> last 1-2 years testing interop, you find people always leave out 1-2
> details that become critical, and 99% will not prioritize fixing them.  The
> main problem is that people think at least one of the W3C specs are wrong,
> and will insert their own idea, here and there.  The horrible truth is that
> timbl and the w3c had all the right specs all along, just no one (apart
> from kingsley) read the details and implemented them.
>
> The only community to date I've found that is really interested in interop
> is webid, but even there every webid has its own unique challenges.
>


+1 Beautifully said.

Stable ecosystem builds are hard when it's not clear that interoperable
standards are the keystone species.

Genius is indeed 99% perspiration to avoid problems ... not fix them.

p.


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>> fwiw.
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>> https://onename.com/pindar
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>> p
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>>>> p.
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>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:09 AM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 June 2015 at 21:01, Erik Ros <mail@erikros.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't seen this initiative pass the list (sorry if it has):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://keybase.io/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been around a while, and world citizen uses it.  The interface is
>>>>> good, and it's something pgp has needed for a while.  A couple of issues
>>>>> are that it's proprietary and it doesnt use linked data, so scalabiltiy is
>>>>> an issue.  Other than that, a promising website.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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