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RE: Some templates started [Was: Missing op agreement warning]

From: Young, Milan <Milan.Young@nuance.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:27:39 +0000
To: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
CC: Wayne Carr <wayne.carr@linux.intel.com>, "public-council@w3.org" <public-council@w3.org>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Jacobs [mailto:ij@w3.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:28 PM
> To: Young, Milan
> Cc: Wayne Carr; public-council@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Some templates started [Was: Missing op agreement warning]
> 
> 
> On 22 Jan 2013, at 4:28 PM, Young, Milan wrote:
> 
> > [Milan] This is a template I will support with a few modifications:
> >
> >> "This group does not have a Charter that describes its scope,
> >> deliverables, operational rules and decision making process.
> > [Milan] Above should start with "Caution:".
> >
> > Also, this may be a separate topic, but in the above you've lumped
> scope/deliverables in with operations.  This complicates enforcement a bit,
> because a group could have a charter which omits operational rules, and they
> would still need to have this warning label.
> 
> I suggest we modify it to take that into account; see below.
> 
> >
> >
> >> In order to enable a wide
> >> variety of styles of groups, W3C imposes relatively little structure
> >> on how the Chair manages a group (see the Process).
> > [Milan] I would like to delete the above.  This is not the forum to justify
> decisions and it obfuscates the real content of the message.
> 
> Per earlier discussion I believe it's important to provide context why this is not
> merely an error. I prefer we keep it. I have provided a shortened version
> below.
> 
> >
> >
> >> Without a Charter, it may be unclear
> >> how the group operates or the Chair could change how the group
> >> operates without warning.
> > [Milan] I prefer "... unclear how the group operates (eg Chair could change
> how the group operates without notice or justification).
> 
> I don't mind the parenthetical. I prefer keeping it simpler here "without
> notice." I don't think we need to add "justification."
> >
> >
> >> W3C strongly encourages groups to operate under a written
> >> Charter.
> > [Milan] The word "written" should be replaced with "officially posted" or
> such.
> 
> +1
> 
> How about this:
> 
> "Caution: This group does not have a published Charter that describes
> important aspects of its operations, such as scope, deliverables, and decision
> making process. Community Group process imposes little structure on how the
> Chair manages a group.  As a result, without a Charter, it may be unclear how
> the group operates (e.g., the Chair could change how the group operates
> without notice).  W3C strongly encourages groups to operate under a
> published Charter. "

[Milan] Thanks Ian.  I'll support that.

> 
> Ian
> 
> >
> >
> >> However, even with a Charter, participants should be aware that the
> >> Process currently allows the Chair to change the Charters after notifying the
> >> group of the change."
> > [Milan] I have been assuming a charter change requires whatever form of
> approval that was specified in the last charter.  In any case, I agree with Ian
> that this is not the right forum.
> >
> >
> >
> 
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