Re: modeling shares of benefits (ex. electricity in a grid, trips on common transit etc.)

I am not sure if this is pertinent,
and maybe my thinking is plain wrong,
it's something similar but different :)

What if for example people generating sustainable clean energy would
actually become currency issuers? This means the issue money which can
circulate in the economy, backed by some real good - energy, everybody
needs energy. The generator commits to accept the units in turn for actual
energy delivery.

The units could be signed, a CA for this purpose could be setup which
certifies that someone is in fact clean energy producer.

If there is a local grid with enough issuers...?
Maybe this contributes to the conversation :)
cheers

2012/8/29 ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org>

> Excerpts from Melvin Carvalho's message of 2012-08-29 12:41:56 +0000:
> > On 29 August 2012 14:32, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Long time silence in our group but lets try to bring some life here
> again
> > > :D
> > > I plan on participating in http://okfestival.org (Open Knowledge
> > > Festival) and discuss with people over there among others topic which I
> > > refer to as polyeconomy, and see directly related to what I would like
> to
> > > work on with you in this group.
> > >
> > > Very short comment on what I refer to as 'shared benefit' systems you
> can
> > > find here:
> > > http://polyeconomy.info/systems/#shared-benefit
> > >
> > > I've just spoken with Melvin about using http://webcredits.org which
> he
> > > works on for that purpose. But maybe I shouldn't start with
> implementation
> > > details?...
> > >
> > > Nowadays many people who contribute to providing electricity in grids
> and
> > > running common transit, choose to accept money for it and leave
> granting
> > > access to those resources to someone else. I would like to help
> developing
> > > technology which can empower people to decide who they would like to
> grant
> > > access to resources they have contributed to make available.
> > >
> > > In our example cases, people who make contributions to providing
> > > electricity in to certain grid, could hold certain shares of it and
> > > distribute them to whoever they want however their like. Similar with
> > > common transit access, contributors could have their pools to share
> with
> > > others.
> > >
> > > I believe it can give people more personal freedom, distribute
> decision on
> > > granting access among all contributors, crate stronger community bounds
> > > among people and greater diversity in ways of gaining access to
> resources
> > > (nowadays IMO very sadly dominated by commerce)
> > >
> > > In web credits I see mention of IOU "i owe you" but in this case I
> would
> > > look at it more as "access granting tokens" or "shares of collectively
> > > owned resources"
> > >
> > > Looking at:
> > >
> http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/wiki/Web_Credits#JSON_Messaging_Format
> > > i would look in direction:
> > >
> > > {
> > > ...
> > > "source": "https://greenpower.coop",
> > > "signatures": [],
> > > "destination": "https://conciouscontributor.name",
> > > "resource": {
> > > "type": "http://dbpedia.org/page/Electricity",
> > > "grid": "http://www.geni.org",
> > > "amount": "100",
> > > "unit": "http://dbpedia.org/page/Kilowatt_hour",
> > > },
> > > ...
> > > }
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > {
> > > ...
> > > "source": "https://bvg.de",
> > > "signatures": [],
> > > "destination": "https://conciouscontributor.name",
> > > "resource": {
> > > "type": "http://dbpedia.org/page/Public_transport",
> > > "agency": "https://bvg.de",
> > > "amount": "20",
> > > "unit": "http://fake.me/Daily_pass"
> > > },
> > > ...
> > > }
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > > :)
> > >
> >
> > You could model it that way
> >
> > I would personally have a the currency point to all the details of the
> > "shares" on another page.
> i thought about putting minimum of details representing a share into such
> token itself that they could get signed and stand as validated claim of
> access to certain resource, somehow keeping it out of a token seams to me
> like a bigger challenge with validating them...
>
> i remember on irc you've mentioned something about centralized service,
> myself i wouldn't like to use anything centralized other than services like
> dbpedia.org just for pool of common URIs, all claims + verification i
> would like to go more into web of trust direction
>
>