W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-comments-wcag20@w3.org > April 2011

Re: HTML Headings technique: duplicated: H42 and H69

From: Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:36:57 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <777508.70791.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Cc: public-comments-wcag20@w3.org
See old exchange on this topic below.
Now I refer to Techniques working draft (latest) of Oct 2010.
See http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/html.html
H42 refers to proper use of headings for SC 1.3.1 and H69 for use of headings to skip blocks (SC 2.4.1).
But part of the description under H69 which was correctly placed under h42 is now moved to h69... and is completely out of place.
Refer to:
"In some technologies, headings are designed to convey logical hierarchy. Skipping levels in the sequence of headings may create the impression that the structure of the document has not been properly thought through or that specific headings have been chosen for their visual rendering rather than their meaning. Authors are encouraged to nest headings hierarchically. When headings are nested hierarchically, the most important information is given the highest logical level, and subsections are given subsequent logical levels.(i.e., h2 is a subsection of h1). ..."
Again this Web page is about HTML techniques so why does this  description start with "In some technologies"? Does it apply to HTML / XHTML or not?
And the note for example #2 of H42  refers to skipping blocks of content.
Refer to: 
"Note: It is important to note that the example code below is intended to show how headings can be used to bypass blocks of information. It is not intended to prescribe what level of heading should be used for a particular section of the web page." 
So why is this note and example under H42?
Completely out of place again.

The technique is one and the same: proper use of headings. And it serves two purposes and SCs. So merge the techniques into one instead of  running around in circles. I had suggested this in 2009.
There are several techniques that refer to  multiple SC. So I fail to understand your resistance for this one.  
Sailesh Panchang
Web Accessibility Specialist 

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com> wrote:

From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Subject: Re: HTML Headings technique: duplicated
To: "Sailesh Panchang" <spanchang02@yahoo.com>
Cc: public-comments-wcag20@w3.org
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:58 PM

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Sailesh Panchang <spanchang02@yahoo.com> wrote:

H42: Using h1-h6 to identify headings

relates to  SC 1.3.1

H69: Providing heading elements at the beginning of each section of content

relates to  SC 2.4.1

Comment: Both descriptions are essentially the same. I suggest they be merged into a single technique and reference  both  SC


Sailesh Panchang


Response from the Working Group


H42 should describe the use of heading mark-up to label headings semantically, but also contained a good deal of discussion about how to use headings. We have moved the discussion and examples of ways to use headings to organize content from H42 to H69. See http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/H42.html and http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/H69.html .

Could you let us know by Monday, December 8 whether you are satisfied
with our resolution? If that date is not possible, please reply to
this message indicating when you will be able to respond.

If we do not hear from you by Monday, December 8, we will assume that you are satisfied with the responses to your comments.

Thanks again for the interest that you have taken in these guidelines.

Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair

Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair

Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact

On behalf of the WCAG Working Group 
Received on Thursday, 21 April 2011 16:37:25 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 6 January 2015 21:11:13 UTC