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Re: changes for help

From: lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 20:28:32 +0300
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Cc: "public-cognitive-a11y-tf" <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Message-Id: <15c794b33c8.10f97c55a115807.6027100574469532071@zoho.com>
I think this should be a technique. Is that acceptable?  

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Mon, 05 Jun 2017 19:21:49 +0300 John Foliot&lt;john.foliot@deque.com&gt; wrote ---- 

Greetings Coga!


This is looking significantly better - kudos. 


I have a question however. Bullet #1 states:

For numerical content: Charts, tables, graphics or non-numerical text content are available that summarize numerical information;

​...and specifically the "non-numerical text" requirement. As I read this, I am left with the impression​ that you want something like this:



&lt;p&gt;This week's lottery jackpot is $3,250,000 (three million, two-hundred and fifty thousand dollars). &lt;/p&gt;



​Is that correct?​ I'm a little concerned about how developers will interpret and apply this: I think we need to draw the line at NOT mandating that the text always be "in the clear" as my example shows (although I'm all for suggesting that as a Best Practice.) 


More to the point, would a "programmatically associated" alternative be sufficient? 

I.e. would the following meet your requirements/needs?


&lt;p&gt;This week's lottery jackpot is &lt;span title="three million, two-hundred and fifty thousand dollars"&gt;$3,250,000&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

​If yes, then is there a way we could include that language as well?​ Perhaps something like:



Comprehension support is ​
available​
 ​ programmatically associated​​ 
via one​​
 or more of the following:


​To my thinking this achieves the following:
No mandated impact on visual designs

No mandated impact on on-screen editorial content
Supports both coga-semantics solution as well as other solutions (We might also consider aria-label and aria-labelled by as possible solutions, but user-agents or plugins would need to play along)​

This would also facilitate the requirement for relative and cardinal directions (similar techniques)

​Thoughts?


JF​



On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:18 AM, lisa.seeman &lt;lisa.seeman@zoho.com&gt; wrote:
Hi folks,In response to the comments to the help success criteria  ( https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32) we have come out with the following changed wording. Please compare to the original (see bellow) and see if you are OK with the changes....


new wording:




Comprehension support is available via one or more of the following: 


For numerical content: Charts, tables, graphics or non-numerical text content are available that summarize numerical information;
For forms:  non-standard controls have instructions, and  multi-step forms provide information about a user's position in the form.
 Long  blocks of text:  are divide  with heading, keywords are visually emphasized or a summary is provided  
For directions: Alternative terms are available for  relative and cardinal directions.

 There are exceptions where: 
  the content will be penalized for not conforming to a given style (such as a dissertation or a Ph.D. proposal); 
 a different structure is an essential part of the main function of the site (for example, a game or a reading test); 
 if the style is an essential part of the main function of the site, such as a literary work;
 for numerical information where the target audience is in a profession that requires a knowledge of maths.
  
  definitions:
 - Keywords: Author defined terms that identify the purpose of the passage. (Note the understand section will describe this process of identifying keyword)
 - Non-Standard controls: Scripted  interactive elements which do not behave like a named control in the host language.
 - Long blocks of content are sections of text that are not divided  by a header, list, or named region and are 300 words or more (or xx characters in Chinese and Japanese) .
     To help you compare here is the old version:
Comprehension support is available via: 
 
 Charts, tables, or graphics to summarize complex numerical information;
  Summaries of long documents;
  Emphasis of key words in long documents;
  Instructions for non-standard controls;
  Information about a user's position in multi-step forms;
  Alternative terms for relative and cardinal directions;
  Non-numerical versions of numerical values.






 
 
 

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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-- 
John Foliot


Principal Accessibility Strategist

Deque Systems Inc.

john.foliot@deque.com



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