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Re: mistake and clarifications of plain language survey

From: Michael Pluke <Mike.Pluke@castle-consult.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:38:47 +0000
To: "Rochford, John" <john.rochford@umassmed.edu>, 'lisa.seeman' <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, "W3c-Wai-Gl-Request@W3. Org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
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I've certainly heard exactly the same thing said

So this requlrement would have to be scoped to only apply to English (as we cannot be sure what languages have double negatives as an acceptable, or even a necessary form).

Best regards

Mike

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Hi Lisa,



The first bullet is "Double negatives Double negatives are not used to express a positive statement." That certainly applies to English, but perhaps not to other languages. For example, in Spanish, double negatives are almost always used to express a positive statement.

John

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Subject: mistake and clarifications of plain language survey



I was looking at the  results for the survey on plain language



Firstly it is meant to be at AAA, not single A. that is a mistake in the survey. Can people renew their responses athttps://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/sc_august2017/?. ?



Also the SC is based on core vocabularies that are used in every language that addresses special needs. I doubt there is any language that is subject to accessibility legislation and does not have a core vocabulary. If you are unsure about this you can probably do a web search on "core vocabulary" and the name of the language you are concerned about. However if you sill think this is not enough for AAA, then we have put in the git hub links to open source scripts by which anyone can build an online core vocabulary. (This is all discussed at the single A version of the issue athttps://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/30)



Also, note that the scope is very limited, so we are talking about thinks like labels and error messages. However it can also be reached via coga semantics using coga-easylang attribute so that freedom of expression is never comprised.

The other bullet points we addressed all the internalization issues that were raised when it was in the first working draft. If there are more that can not be addressed we can delete that bullet point.



In terms of additional tooling, Microsoft have the tools as part of their cloud subscription fee. IBM have similar capabilities, and, open source scripts have been added to the github for building core vocabularies. The translation industry also have a full suit of tooling that can be used for this purpose. However if that is still considered a risk I would be happy if section were label at risk unless more tools are available, However at AAA it seems overkill.





All the best



Lisa Seeman



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