[minutes] BPWG 2010-05-18

Hi,

The minutes of today's call are available at:
  http://www.w3.org/2010/05/18-bpwg-minutes.html

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Resolved ref. Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies:
- Agree to first 3 points of sets of proposals in fd's email: we'll link 
to a test case repository, test suite is more to be viewed as a 
challenge test cases repository, and the group commits to initiate the 
work on the test suite in the remaining life time of the group.
- No change to the exit criteria because the group believes that raising 
awareness on the guidelines is more important than the risk of having 
non-interoperable implementations of the spec, and fears that the 
guidelines will be stuck at the Candidate Recommendation phase if the 
exit criteria were bound to the existence of a test suite.

Resolved ref. erratum for mobileOK spec:
- Erratum to mobileOK related to HTTP_RESPONSE-11 clause: [[ If the HTTP 
status represents failure (4xx), other than *in any of the following 
cases: i)* the HTTP status is 404, *ii) the HTTP status represents* a 
request for authentication (e.g. 401) or *iii) the HTTP status is* 406 
*for object elements (but not any other elements)* when carrying out the 
3.15.1 Object Element Processing Rule, FAIL ]]

Thanks,
Francois
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18 May 2010

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0003.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/18-bpwg-irc

Attendees

    Present
           DKA, adam, francois, miguel, spatters

    Regrets
           Jo, kai, tom, yeliz

    Chair
           DKA

    Scribe
           adam

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]MWABP
          2. [6]Transition Request for CT
          3. [7]Erratum for MobileOK
          4. [8]AOB
      * [9]Summary of Action Items
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    <DKA> Agenda:
    [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0003.htm
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      [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0003.html

MWABP

    <francois> [11]Latest implementation report

      [11] http://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report

    adam: We have two more we could send from Google, but these are
    unlikely to close up any holes.

    dka: Nothing to report from other contacts.
    ... Will keep hunting.

    adam: What happens if we don't get 2 implementations for some of the
    BPs.

    francois: We'd have to go back to last-call in that case because we
    didn't identify those BPs as at risk. But it can be a short LC.

    dka: We should be able to find implementations for the BPs if we
    keep working at it.
    ... Could you summarise the BPs that don't have enough
    implementations yet in email to member group so we can evangelise
    getting more reports around those particular items.

Transition Request for CT

    francois: We need approval from director of W3C to move forward CT.
    But there is some pushback on the exit criteria. The exit criteria
    should be bound to a concrete test suite.

    <DKA>
    [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Apr/0009.htm
    l

      [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Apr/0009.html

    francois: Note the forth resolution is to bind the exit criteria to
    the creation of a test suite. We'll have a hard time convincing the
    director that we can move to CR without this.

    sean: Haven't we already discussed the need of a test suite?

    francois: We've discussed it, but in the exit criteria as they
    currently exist we have separated the creation of the test suite
    from the implementation reports.
    ... But in our exit criteria currently we do not check the claim of
    conformance.

    dka: Didn't Jo have a plan to get a test suite written?

    francois: Summarising Jo's position... Working on test suite is not
    a requirement, we acknowledge that it's good practice but it's not
    required by the process document. We should agree with the first
    three proposed changes [in Francois' email] but if we commit to
    developing test-suite the document will get stuck in CR.

    dka: I wonder if there's a middle way... Between no test-suite and
    the absolute requirement of a test-suite.

    francois: The first three points specify what the test-suite is and
    is not. One is to say that the test suite is a repository of
    challenge tests, it doesn't have to cover everything in the document
    (because that's not possible) but it has to cover main things in the
    form of challenge tests only. This is a good middle-ground between
    having a complete test suite and not developing anything. But it
    would still require a fair amount of work.

    <DKA> +1

    dka: Sean, could you commit to supplying some of these challenge
    tests.

    <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Agree to first 3 points of sets of
    proposals in fd's email: we'll link to a test case repository, test
    suite is more to be viewed as a challenge test cases repository, and
    the group commits to initiate the work on the test suite in the
    remaining life time of the group.

    sean: Things are kind of up in the air, so it might be tricky. Doing
    one or two tests would be a smaller committment, so might be
    possible. But can't committ right now.

    <DKA> +1 to Proposed Resolution

    +1

    <miguel> +1

    RESOLUTION: Agree to first 3 points of sets of proposals in fd's
    email: we'll link to a test case repository, test suite is more to
    be viewed as a challenge test cases repository, and the group
    commits to initiate the work on the test suite in the remaining life
    time of the group.

    <spatters> +1

    <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: No change to the exit criteria
    because the group believes that raising awareness on the guidelines
    is more important than the risk of having non-interoperable
    implementations of the spec, and fears that the guidelines will be
    stuck at the Candidate Recommendation phase if the exit criteria
    were bound to the existence of a test suite.

    <DKA> ACTION: Sean to come back to the group by next call with a
    yes/no on writing some challenge tests for CT. [recorded in
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/18-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1049 - Come back to the group by next call
    with a yes/no on writing some challenge tests for CT. [on Sean
    Patterson - due 2010-05-25].

    +1

    <DKA> +1

    <spatters> +1

    <miguel> +1

    RESOLUTION: No change to the exit criteria because the group
    believes that raising awareness on the guidelines is more important
    than the risk of having non-interoperable implementations of the
    spec, and fears that the guidelines will be stuck at the Candidate
    Recommendation phase if the exit criteria were bound to the
    existence of a test suite.

Erratum for MobileOK

    [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0000.htm
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      [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0000.html

    <DKA>
    [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0000.htm
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      [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010May/0000.html

    <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Erratum to mobileOK related to
    HTTP_RESPONSE-11 clause: [[ [ If the HTTP status represents failure
    (4xx), other than *in any of the following cases: i)* the HTTP
    status is 404, *ii) the HTTP status represents* a request for
    authentication (e.g. 401) or *iii) the HTTP status is* 406 *for
    object elements (but not any other elements)* when carrying out the
    3.15.1 Object Element Processing Rule, FAIL ]]

    <francois> +1

    <DKA> +1

    <miguel> +1

    +1

    RESOLUTION: Erratum to mobileOK related to HTTP_RESPONSE-11 clause:
    [[ [ If the HTTP status represents failure (4xx), other than *in any
    of the following cases: i)* the HTTP status is 404, *ii) the HTTP
    status represents* a request for authentication (e.g. 401) or *iii)
    the HTTP status is* 406 *for object elements (but not any other
    elements)* when carrying out the 3.15.1 Object Element Processing
    Rule, FAIL ]]

AOB

    <miguel> bye

    <DKA> thanks all!

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Sean to come back to the group by next call with a
    yes/no on writing some challenge tests for CT. [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/18-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

    [End of minutes]

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