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Re: ACTION-964: Oracle AtomDB

From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:32:20 +0100
Message-ID: <4AD6EC24.4050309@mtld.mobi>
To: Sangwhan Moon <smoon@opera.com>
CC: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>, nikunj.mehta@oracle.com, Tom Hume <Tom.Hume@futureplatforms.com>
Seems to me that this is well and truly closed. Thanks for looking into 
it Tom.

Jo

On 15/10/2009 04:08, Sangwhan Moon wrote:
> 
> On 2009/10/14, at 10:43 PM, Tom Hume wrote:
> 
>> I picked up ACTION-964, to look into Oracle AtomDB with a view to
>> seeing whether it should be referenced alongside HTML5 Storage in
>> MWABP. This followed a comment from Nikunj Mehta of Oracle.
>>
>> The main reference to this product that I could find was the white
>> paper which Nikunj pointed us to at:
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/feeds/pdf/oracle%20atomdb.pdf
>>
>> which explains AtomDB as a means of transparently adding
>> synchronisation of data to web applications which would otherwise
>> presume the existence of a connection. AtomDB is implemented as a
>> browser plugin. However, I'm not clear how "alive" this product is.
>> Searching the Oracle site for "atomdb" found a few empty forums, I
>> can't see anywhere to get hold of the AtomDB plugin and I'm wondering
>> whether it's available anywhere.
> 
> I wasn't able to find one either, and even with a plug-in this still 
> lacks the public availability of a developer implementation reference, 
> in case a browser/device vendor needs to port it to their platform - 
> this itself would make it extremely difficult to be a generally 
> acceptable solution - cross-platform availability (or portability) would 
> be crucial for anything mentioned here.
> 
>> AtomDB positions itself as a caching and synchronisation layer, rather
>> than a mechanism for general "offline storage"; so it wouldn't seem
>> appropriate to add to section 3.1.2.1 (which talks about persistent
>> storage) or section 3.5.1.1 (talking about improving startup times).
>> It might be appropriate for inclusion into section 3.1.3.2, but we
>> don't mention any other technologies in this section. It might be
>> relevant for inclusion into the Offline Web Applications note
>> (http://www.w3.org/TR/offline-webapps/).
>>
>> I don't think we should add a reference to AtomDB to a BP document
>> unless the plugin is available somewhere and in use.
> 
> My belief is that mentioning a specific plug-in in the BP document would 
> be contradicting to the general applicability of the BP document as it 
> is. If there would be something that mentions client side storage, that 
> should ideally be a pointer to DOM Storage or Offline Web Applications 
> as you have pointed out.
> 
> Sangwhan
> 
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