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Re: ACTION-994: Some evidence of CSS MQ in the wild

From: Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:40:17 +0100
Message-ID: <4A57C351.3050402@mtld.mobi>
To: Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com>
CC: Eduardo Casais <casays@yahoo.com>, public-bpwg@w3.org
 > (On a side-note, I  disagree that Best Practices must be derived from
 > widely-used techniques. Otherwise we'd say "use tables for layout, font
 > tags and make sure your code doesn't validate".)
 >
I think the point is that we encourage techniques that stand a good 
chance of working and discourage techniques ... etc. if the following 
needs clarification then perhaps we should. It's in the front bit of the 
  document:

"The approach in writing this document has been to collate and present 
the most relevant engineering practices prevalent in the development 
community today and identify those that: a) facilitate the exploitation 
of device capabilities to enable a better user experience; or b) are 
considered harmful and can have non-obvious detrimental effects on the 
overall quality of the application."

[1] 
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20090619#goal




On 10/07/2009 10:36, Bruce Lawson wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:37:45 +0100, Eduardo Casais <casays@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> We ran the Opera MAMA webcrawler and analysis tool and have a list of
>>> 16,000 URLs that use them.
>>
>> Two questions come to my mind:
>> 1) 16'000 URL out of how many? Proportions make the difference between
>>    an emerging, still marginal practice and an established one.
> 
> I think 3 million, but will get the figures next week.
> 
>> 2) What is the target of these queries, and the techniques used? These
>>    questions would require quite some work, of course, so I do not expect
>>    them to be answered here. However, just taking the proportion of CSS
>>    links with queries that include the string
>>        "screen and (max-device-width: 480px)"
>>    should suffice to reinforce or dispell my hunch that the main 
>> utilization
>>    of media queries at this point in time is to deliver customized style
>>    sheets to iPhones.
> 
> I don't see how we can tell that a media query is designed to offer 
> custom style sheets to iPhones rather than any other phone or mobile 
> device. The fact that Opera and (recently) Firefox support them, but are 
> not on the iPhone, means they are suitable for any phone.
> 
> (On a side-note, I  disagree that Best Practices must be derived from 
> widely-used techniques. Otherwise we'd say "use tables for layout, font 
> tags and make sure your code doesn't validate".)
> 
> 
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