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[minutes] BPWG 2008-11-13

From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:45:07 +0100
Message-ID: <491C5993.1070402@w3.org>
To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>

Hi,

The minutes of today's call are available at:
  http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html

... and copied as text below.

The working group resolved to request the publication of the mobileOK 
Scheme document as an updated Working Draft.

Francois.



13 Nov 2008

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Nov/0030.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-irc

Attendees

    Present
           jo, Francois, DKA, dom, Adam, yeliz, miguel, SeanP,
           jsmanrique, jeffs, achuter

    Regrets
           Bryan, SangwhanMoon, rob, BruceLawson, Kai, DavidStorey,
           abel, nacho

    Chair
           jo

    Scribe
           Dan

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Korea F2F poll
          2. [6]mobileOK Basic Tests in PR
          3. [7]ETSI
          4. [8]Update on Mobile Accessibility
          5. [9]BP 1.5
          6. [10]MobileOK Scheme
          7. [11]Content Transformation
          8. [12]BP2
          9. [13]Issues & Actions
         10. [14]Issues Pending Review
         11. [15]Open Issues
         12. [16]Review of Jeff's ACTION-875 on ETSI Review
         13. [17]AOB
      * [18]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________

    <DKA> Hi all!

    <DKA> Ahem... Hello Mobile Web Fans!

    <DKA> I am happy to scribe today.

Korea poll

    <jo> [19]Seoul Poll

      [19] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-Seoul-2009/

    Jo: What do people think?

    <dom> DKA: I'm a bit worried of organizing a long-haul travel for
    that F2F

    <dom> ... getting a lot pressure on reducing travel cost

    <dom> ... maybe we could revisit that plan

    Dan: I'm worried about the wisdom of organizing a long-haul f2f.
    Positive about the idea and I feel it would be very valuable I am
    worried about it.

    Jo: Suggest we reopen the poll.
    ... We haven't had a full response so let's encourage people to do
    this for next week.

    <scribe> ACTION: Dan to encourage people to answer the poll.
    [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-882 - Encourage people to answer the poll.
    [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2008-11-20].

    <dom> [I would also suggest revisiting that decision]

    Jo: Dom what do you mean?

    Dom: Having a f2f meeting in Korea might be problematic for many
    people to participate. It would be good explain this...

mobileOK Basic Tests in PR

    Jo: Anything to report?

    Francois: nothing to report - things going as smooth as possible. We
    received a few strongly supporting comments from AC.

    <dom>
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mobileOK-basic10-tests/

      [21] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mobileOK-basic10-tests/

    Jo: Let's make sure everyone has expressed support.

ETSI

    Jo: Let's move on.

Update on Mobile Accessibility

    Yeliz: not much to report. No update on the document. Not sure about
    the progress of the main technical document.

    <scribe> ACTION: Yeliz to take an action to talk to Alan and report
    back to group on status of technical doc. [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-883 - Take an action to talk to Alan and
    report back to group on status of technical doc. [on Yeliz Yesilada
    - due 2008-11-20].

BP 1.5

    Jo: anything to say here?

    Dom: Didn't Kai ask for specific approval of the new proposed
    structure?

    Jo: Maybe we can take that resolution.

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Kai please go ahead per the discussions
    under ACTION-871 and ACTION-872

    Dom: He was asking if we wanted to go ahead with the new format for
    BP 1.5.
    ... I think he wanted more detail than that.

    <jo> ACTION: Jo to ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872
    threads so we can take a resolution on it [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-884 - Ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and
    ACTGION-872 threads so we can take a resolution on it [on Jo Rabin -
    due 2008-11-20].

MobileOK Scheme

    Jo: A draft today on that.
    ... I proposed a resolution earlier today. There are more changes in
    the works to the draft.

    <jo> [24]tomorrow's draft of mobileOK Scheme

      [24] 
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Trustmark/latest

    Jo: What we've got now is better than what's there right now.

    +1

    <francois> +1 to publish the new draft

    no

    Jo: Any views - should we delay?

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests prublication of the mobileOK
    Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group Working Draft

    Dom: For clarification this would mean this is not the final
    document just another working version.

    Jo: Yes because we don't have a link to the license version. I wish
    it could be the final version.

    <dom> +1 on new WD

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests publication of the mobileOK
    Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group Working Draft

    +1 on the resolution

    <jsmanrique> +1

    <francois> +1

    <adam> +1

    <yeliz> +1

    Jo: Any objections?

    DKA: +1 on the resolution

    jsmanrique: +1

    dom: zakim, mute me

    Zakim: dom should now be muted

    francois: +1

    adam: +1

    yeliz: +1

    DKA: Jo: Any objections?

    <PhilA> :-)

    RESOLUTION: BPWG requests publication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated
    14 Nov 2008 as a Group working draft

    Jo: Yay!

    <PhilA> double yay!

Content Transformation

    Jo: Francois?

    Francois: there's a new draft in town
    ... New draft includes all the changes we made due to last call
    comments.
    ... Some comments in already.

    <jo> [25]New draft of CT

      [25] 
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/081107

    Francois: New invited expert - Eduardo - he has sent constructive
    comments.

    <jsmanrique> Zakim: abel is manrique

    Jo: So a few things to tidy up. But very little left open.
    Moderately positive about getting through all of these within next
    couple of weeks.
    ... We've got a big hole in https where we need further
    clarification and have had no replies yet.

    Francois: I sent an email to the IETF mailing list and didn't get
    any replies. I think that probably it also means there's not much
    more information that we're missing. I don't think we should worry
    too much.

    Jo: Questions / comments?

    Dan: Will CT be one of the documents released before end-of-year?

    Jo: I'd like it to be.

    <dom> [26]publication moratorium for the end of year

      [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0066.html

    Francois: Yes but not sure it can be last call working draft.

    Jo: Be positive!

BP2

    Adam: Not much progress this and next week - after that things
    should pick up. Completed draft before meeting after next.

    Jo: Looking at the timings, there's a publication moritorium before
    the end of the year - we should aim to have another public draft
    before that.

    Adam: yes.

    Dan: Should we consider mobile ajax styleguide from OAA?

    [27]http://www.openajax.org/member/wiki/Mobile_Device_APIs_Style_Gui
    de

      [27] 
http://www.openajax.org/member/wiki/Mobile_Device_APIs_Style_Guide

    Adam: I will review.

    <dom> [I think this is for developing APIs, rather than developing
    content]

Issues & Actions

    <jo> [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open

      [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open

    Yes but we should still review and see if there's anything relevant
    to bp2.

    ACTION-694?

    <trackbot> ACTION-694 -- Scott Hughes to review apple document and
    summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due
    2008-07-29 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694

      [29] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694

    Jo: Scott member of the group?

    Dan: Scott has had his time pulled away from the group
    unfortunately.

    Jo: Can we transfer this action to someone else please?

    Dan: Please assign the action back to me and I will chase Scott.

    <dom> ACTION-694?

    <trackbot> ACTION-694 -- Daniel Appelquist to review apple document
    and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due
    2008-11-20 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694

      [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694

    ACTION-697?

    <trackbot> ACTION-697 -- Daniel Appelquist to summarize the points
    he can glean from examination of the frost library -- due 2008-09-10
    -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [31]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697

      [31] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697

    Dan: summarizes points as follows:
    ... no points.

    <jo> CLOSE ACTION-697

    <trackbot> ACTION-697 Summarize the points he can glean from
    examination of the frost library closed

    ACTION-710?

    <trackbot> ACTION-710 -- François Daoust to test the Effect of HEAD
    Requests on Various Servers -- due 2008-07-16 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/710

      [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/710

    Francois: I did this - should I send a public report.

    Dan: I think so - just for posterity's sake.

    Francois: I will send as an email.

    ACTION-711?

    <trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Soonho Lee to provide Feedback on Content
    Transformation Document -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/711

      [33] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/711

    CLOSE ACTION-711

    <trackbot> ACTION-711 Provide Feedback on Content Transformation
    Document closed

    ACTION-721?

    <trackbot> ACTION-721 -- François Daoust to prepare a report's form
    to fill to test Aaron static/dynamic example -- due 2008-08-14 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721

      [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721

    Francois: A long time ago, Aaron sent a couple of tests comparing
    static web page with dynamicly assembling the page. I haven't done
    this.
    ... I think it's still a good idea.

    ACTION-730?

    <trackbot> ACTION-730 -- François Daoust to work with jo to figure
    out the details of a workshop on Content Transformation -- due
    2008-08-28 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/730

      [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/730

    Jo: Postpone this until February ok?
    ... I will move it to February the 20th of next year.

    ACTION-783?

    <trackbot> ACTION-783 -- Daniel Appelquist to come up with
    alternative phrasing for Web 2.0 -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783

      [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783

    The whole general thingy you know?

    Dom: the MWABP talks about Web 2.0 and this action was to find a
    better phrasing.

    Jo: I vote for leaving it as is.

    <dom> "Readers of this document are expected to be familiar with the
    creation of Web applications, and to have a general familiarity with
    the technologies involved, such as Web servers, HTTP, and Web 2.0."

    <dom> in
    [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/E
    D-mobile-bp2-20081008#audience

      [37] 
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20081008#audience

    [38]http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#audience

      [38] http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#audience

    Adam: I will take it on - please close it.

    ACTION-787?

    <trackbot> ACTION-787 -- Scott Hughes to draft text re power
    efficiency -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/787

      [39] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/787

    Dan: I will chase Scott.

    ACTION-788

    ACTION-788?

    <trackbot> ACTION-788 -- Daniel Appelquist to communicate with
    OpenAjax Alliance about the backlighting issue and null gestures --
    due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/788

      [40] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/788

    Dan: I contacted OAA but didn't received a response yet.

    Jo: We will re-action you to get a response [edits action]

    ACTION-789?

    <trackbot> ACTION-789 -- Scott Hughes to propose text for different
    interaction modes in discussion with Adam -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [41]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/789

      [41] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/789

    <jo> Close ACTION-789

    <trackbot> ACTION-789 Propose text for different interaction modes
    in discussion with Adam closed

    Adam: This turns into a section of BP2.

    ACTION-791?

    <trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft some text on
    WICD -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/791

      [42] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/791

    <jo> Close ACTION-791

    <trackbot> ACTION-791 Draft some text on WICD closed

    ACTION-794?

    <trackbot> ACTION-794 -- Adam Connors to lead off discussion on
    ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 -- due 2008-07-17
    -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794

      [43] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794

    ISSUE-265?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-265 -- Discussion of Jonathan's Submission ref
    separation of structure presentation and behavior at
    [44]http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn -- OPEN

      [44] http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn

    <trackbot>
    [45]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265

      [45] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265

    Jo: Adam?

    Adam: Have not completed response - leave open.

    ACTION-796?

    <trackbot> ACTION-796 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact BBC to see if
    they can make their mobile web site mobileOK -- due 2008-06-25 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [46]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796

      [46] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796

    ACTION-797?

    <trackbot> ACTION-797 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to check on availability
    of data about the number of acceptable links in a focus-based
    browser -- due 2008-09-24 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [47]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797

      [47] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797

    Jo: Jeff?

    Jeff: I've got a UI colleague looking for prior literature but
    hasn't found any yet. Think it's worth continuting looking.

    Jo: Ok we'll leave it open for now.

    ACTION-820?

    <trackbot> ACTION-820 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to look at providing
    examples for accessibility document -- due 2008-10-01 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [48]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820

      [48] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820

    Jeff: In 2 weeks we will pick up after the group look at condensing
    down WCAG into something usable by mobile developers...

    Jo: Let's leave it open for the time being.

    ACTION-823?

    <trackbot> ACTION-823 -- Adam Connors to stimulate another round of
    discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD -- due 2008-08-07 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [49]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823

      [49] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823

    <jo> Close ACTION-823

    <trackbot> ACTION-823 Stimulate another round of discussion on what
    is missing from BP-2 FPWD closed

    ACTION-830?

    <trackbot> ACTION-830 -- Bryan Sullivan to review correspondence
    with Dennis cf LC-2065 and to draft a) proposed changes to the
    document and b) a proposed response to Dennis -- due 2008-09-09 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [50]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/830

      [50] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/830

    ACTION-832?

    <trackbot> ACTION-832 -- Sean Patterson to look at what the impact
    on the document would be if we removed the definitions referred to
    in LC-2050 -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [51]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/832

      [51] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/832

    ACTION-846?

    <trackbot> ACTION-846 -- François Daoust to prepare an
    Implementation Conformance Statement -- due 2008-09-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/846

      [52] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/846

    ACTION-853?

    <trackbot> ACTION-853 -- Adam Connors to re-write 3.1.1 along the
    lines discussed today. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [53]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/853

      [53] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/853

    Adam: That came out of the editorial meeting. it's done.

    <jo> close ACTION-853

    <trackbot> ACTION-853 Re-write 3.1.1 along the lines discussed
    today. closed

    ACTION-855?

    <trackbot> ACTION-855 -- Adam Connors to add an appendix on device
    info based on Bryan's contribution with a placeholder for additional
    device capabilities that are implied by the BP2 BPs. -- due
    2008-10-03 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [54]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/855

      [54] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/855

    Adam: better leave it open - I'll go through the minutes to clarify.

    ACTION-866?

    <trackbot> ACTION-866 -- Jo Rabin to include text referencing
    resolution to LC-2003 -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [55]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/866

      [55] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/866

    ACTION-862?

    <trackbot> ACTION-862 -- Adam Connors to send email about issues --
    due 2008-10-15 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [56]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/862

      [56] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/862

    <jo> Close ACTION-862

    <trackbot> ACTION-862 Send email about issues closed

    ACTION-867?

    <trackbot> ACTION-867 -- François Daoust to look into an appendix
    with relevant normative statements of RFC2616 and report back to the
    group. -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [57]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/867

      [57] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/867

    ACTION-870?

    <trackbot> ACTION-870 -- Daniel Appelquist to liaise with Seungyun
    and Jonathan re setting up a call in 4 weeks with a view to having 2
    weekly calls in the morning European time -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [58]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/870

      [58] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/870

    Dan: Not done yet.

    ACTION-873?

    <trackbot> ACTION-873 -- Daniel Appelquist to provide some words on
    conservative use of resources -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [59]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873

      [59] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873

    Adam: this is the plea to help the poor network operators.

    Dan: not done.

    ACTION-874?

    <trackbot> ACTION-874 -- Adam Connors to refine the wording on
    graceful degradation trimming and making more explicit the text --
    due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [60]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/874

      [60] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/874

    Adam: not done yet.

    ACTION-876?

    <trackbot> ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test
    cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-27 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [61]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876

      [61] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876

    Jeff: The test cases have been received. We have a grad student
    lined up when we're back from break.

    Jo: Rest of the open actions were raised today or not overdue yet.

    <jo> [62]Pending Review Actions

      [62] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview

    <francois> ScribeNick: adam

    ACTION-762

    ACTION-762 ?

    <trackbot> ACTION-762 -- Jo Rabin to review ISSUE-250 with a view to
    how this affects content of mobileOK scheme -- due 2008-05-29 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [63]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762

      [63] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762

    jo: going to close this one, I've done my bit.

    <jo> Close ACTION-762

    <trackbot> ACTION-762 Review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this
    affects content of mobileOK scheme closed

    ACTION-786 ?

    <trackbot> ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix
    that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are
    different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [64]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786

      [64] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786

    ACTION 790 ?

    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 790

    ACTION-790 ?

    <trackbot> ACTION-790 -- Alan Chuter to produce some text around
    accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices --
    due 2008-07-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [65]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790

      [65] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790

    ACTION-792 ?

    <trackbot> ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG --
    due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [66]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792

      [66] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792

    <dom>
    [67]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.htm
    l

      [67] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.html

    ACTION-842 ?

    <trackbot> ACTION-842 -- François Daoust to get back to aaron from
    google to see if he can get some stats for us -- due 2008-10-15 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [68]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/842

      [68] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/842

    <DKA> Scribe: Dan

    <jo> Close ACtion-842

    <trackbot> ACTION-842 Get back to aaron from google to see if he can
    get some stats for us closed

    <DKA> ScribeNick: DKA

    ACTION-843?

    <trackbot> ACTION-843 -- Jo Rabin to see if he can come up with
    wording on this section that might accommodate everyone -- due
    2008-09-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [69]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/843

      [69] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/843

    ACTION-844?

    <trackbot> ACTION-844 -- Adam Connors to raise ISSUEs based on
    Bryan's comments -- due 2008-09-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [70]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/844

      [70] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/844

    <jo> close action-844

    <trackbot> ACTION-844 Raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments closed

    ACTION-863?

    <trackbot> ACTION-863 -- Jo Rabin to reword following WSC WG
    feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic -- due 2008-10-14 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [71]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/863

      [71] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/863

    Jo: that's done.

    <jo> close ACTION-863

    <trackbot> ACTION-863 Reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed
    changes to mobileOK Basic closed

    ACTION-871?

    <trackbot> ACTION-871 -- Jo Rabin to work with Kai on clarifying
    purpose text of bp 1.5 -- due 2008-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [72]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/871

      [72] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/871

    ACTION-872?

    <trackbot> ACTION-872 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to work on
    reformulating 4 "tests" of BP 1.5 -- due 2008-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [73]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/872

      [73] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/872

    <jo> Close Action-872

    <trackbot> ACTION-872 Work on reformulating 4 "tests" of BP 1.5
    closed

    Jo: both 871 and 872 are done.

    <jo> close action-871

    <trackbot> ACTION-871 Work with Kai on clarifying purpose text of bp
    1.5 closed

    ACTION-875?

    <trackbot> ACTION-875 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to scope current draft and
    see what aspects may be of interest to us. -- due 2008-10-27 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [74]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875

      [74] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875

    Jo: We'll come back to ETSI review in a second.

    ACTION-876?

    <trackbot> ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test
    cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-25 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [75]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876

      [75] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876

    ACTION-877?

    <trackbot> ACTION-877 -- François Daoust to create a poll on Alan's
    document once it's published as an updated working draft with a
    review period of 4 weeks -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [76]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/877

      [76] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/877

    ACTION-878?

    <trackbot> ACTION-878 -- François Daoust to create a poll on having
    f2f in seoul on week of February 2nd -- due 2008-10-27 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [77]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/878

      [77] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/878

    Jo: That's done.

    <jo> close action-878

    <trackbot> ACTION-878 Create a poll on having f2f in seoul on week
    of February 2nd closed

    Jo: Stupendous!

Issues Pending Review

    <jo> [78]Issues Pending Review

      [78] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/pendingreview

    [silence]

    <jo> ISSUE-256?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-256 -- Call for 10 mobileOK sites -- RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [79]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256

      [79] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256

    ISSUE-256?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-256 -- Call for 10 mobileOK sites -- RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [80]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256

      [80] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256

    Jo: It's done right?

    <jo> Close ISSUE-256

    +1 to closing

    ISSUE-267?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-267 -- Respond to ETSI liaison -- RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [81]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/267

      [81] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/267

    Jo: that's closed - it was the other liaison.

    ISSUE-269?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-269 -- Need clarity on the meaning of a mobileOK
    Claim, Basic Tests or not? -- RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [82]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/269

      [82] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/269

    Jo: That's done afaic

    ISSUE-273?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-273 -- Is the mobileOK Pro Tests document supposed
    to be an addendum to the Best Practices document or to the Basic
    Tests document? -- RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [83]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/273

      [83] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/273

    Jo: The answer is both.

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per
    AVTION-871 and ACTION-872

    <jeffs> +1

    <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per
    ACTION-871 and ACTION-872

    +1 and stuff

    RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per ACTION-871 and
    ACTION-872

    ISSUE-276?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-276 -- 3.1.1 Retain Personalization Information --
    RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [84]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/276

      [84] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/276

    Adam: This has been rewritten so this should be closed.

    ISSUE-282?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-282 -- What to do about the "together" section in
    the accessibility doc? Remove it? Expand it? -- RAISED

    <trackbot>
    [85]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282

      [85] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282

    Jo: This is a moot point.
    ... So close.

    <dom> [86]no pending review issues!

      [86] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/pendingreview

Open Issues

    <jsmanrique> :-)

    <jo> [87]Open Issues

      [87] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open

    ISSUE-116?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-116 -- Thematic Consistency checking -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [88]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/116

      [88] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/116

    Jo: It's no longer relevant. Objections to closing?

    [no objections]

    ISSUE-188?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Should THEMATIC_CONSISTENCY be clarified? --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [89]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/188

      [89] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/188

    <jeffs> kill

    Jo: From march 2007. I suggest we close this as well. Objections?

    [none]

    Jo: It's closed.

    ISSUE-248?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-248 -- Can mobile device browsers make use of
    microformats? -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [90]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/248

      [90] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/248

    Jo: Should we keep this open?

    Dan: Close it.

    Jo: Ok we'll kill it.

    ISSUE-262?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-262 -- Discuss the option to offer choices of
    presentation as a best practices for mobile web apps -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [91]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/262

      [91] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/262

    Jo: Who would like to volunteer some text as choices of
    representation as a bp of mwabp.
    ... Anybody?
    ... I'd like to offer following as proposed text I prepared earlier.

    <jo>
    [92]http://mobiforge.com/designing/story/a-very-modern-mobile-switch
    ing-algorithm-part-i

      [92] 
http://mobiforge.com/designing/story/a-very-modern-mobile-switching-algorithm-part-i

    Jo: let's leave this open for the time being.

    <jeffs> think I need to read that first

    ISSUE-263?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-263 -- How to keep the screen alive (re null
    gestures) - what to recommend? -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [93]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/263

      [93] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/263

    ISSUE-264?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-264 -- How to rephrase progressive enhancement to
    make it fit as a BP? -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [94]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/264

      [94] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/264

    <jeffs> go for the rewite

    Adam: this is a conversation we had at last f2f - lots of good
    actions which are still being written up.

    ISSUE-268?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-268 -- Test cases to illustrate mobile web
    application best practices -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [95]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/268

      [95] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/268

    <jeffs> useful

    ISSUE-271?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-271 -- Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro
    to the Addendum to BP 1.0 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [96]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271

      [96] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271

    Jo: Can we close this one?

    <jeffs> kill it

    Jo: OK close it.

    ISSUE-272?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-272 -- What is the new name of document, currently
    called "mobileOK Pro Tests Version 1", which is supposed to be an
    addendum to the Best Practices document, to be? -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [97]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/272

      [97] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/272

    Jo: We can close that one.

    ISSUE-274

    ISSUE-274?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-274 -- Which texts are missing from the addendum
    that are needed to turn it into an addendum? -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [98]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/274

      [98] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/274

    <achuter> akim, mute me

    Jo: I think we can close this issue.

    <jeffs> kill

    Jo: Any objections?

    [none]

    Jo: Let's close.

    ISSUE-275?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-275 -- 4.2.1 Protect Personal Information -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [99]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/275

      [99] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/275

    Adam: I rewrote this so it's done.

    Jo: Close then.

    [278 and 279 as well]

    Jo: Ok everybodee!

    Dom: On ISSUE-279, I think that Bryan has an open action it.

    Adam: yes - well spoted.

    Jo: So leave ISSUE-279 open [but close ISSUE-278]

Review of Jeff's ACTION-875 on ETSI Review

    <jo> [100]Jeff's comments

     [100] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Oct/0031.html

    <jo> ACTION-875?

    <trackbot> ACTION-875 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to scope current draft and
    see what aspects may be of interest to us. -- due 2008-10-27 --
    PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [101]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875

     [101] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875

    Jo: Take it away Jeff!

    Jeff: Basically the document refered to from ETSI is really
    something that refers to another quite a bit thicker document. Have
    sent out email with liittle response. Before I go into this document
    I want to get steer from the group. Some of the sections seem
    releavnt. Have sent email.

    Jo: I think these documents are not review for very much longer.

    Jeff: Reality check - I raised 2 issues - do you want me to address
    both of them in my response?

    Jo: That's fine.

    <jo> ACTION: Jeff to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues
    as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in
    [102]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeff

    <jo> ACTION: Jeffs to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues
    as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in
    [103]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeffs

    <jo> ACTION: sonstein to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main
    issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in
    [104]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action06]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-885 - Draft a response to ETSI ref his 2
    main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due
    2008-11-20].

    Jo: Thanks for that Jeff.

AOB

    What do you call a problem like uh.. best practices?

    <jeffs> DKA, you there???

    That was a brilliant minimalist art piece. you just didn't get it.

    Still here.

    <jeffs> ??

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Dan to encourage people to answer the poll. [recorded
    in [105]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Jeff to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues
    as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in
    [106]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: Jeffs to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main
    issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in
    [107]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action05]
    [NEW] ACTION: Jo to ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872
    threads so we can take a resolution on it [recorded in
    [108]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: sonstein to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main
    issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in
    [109]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action06]
    [NEW] ACTION: Yeliz to take an action to talk to Alan and report
    back to group on status of technical doc. [recorded in
    [110]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

    [End of minutes]
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